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NCAA Discussion / Re: Fair Catch rules

« Last post by dammitbobby on April 08, 2024, 12:54:34 PM »

That's probably what they mean, but I don't think it's really that clear.

Additional thought - why does A's signal behind the NZ keep the ball alive after a catch, but B's doesn't?  What's the distinction between A signaling and B signaling, if they're essentially the same (both invalid)?

What if B signals, but A catches? Or if they both signal?

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Fair Catch rules

« Last post by Kalle on April 08, 2024, 12:24:59 PM »

AR 6-5-3

A1 or B1 signals for a fair catch beyond the neutral zone during a kick that does not cross the neutral zone. RULING: Any signal by Team A is ignored. Team B may not make a fair catch signal because the ball did not
cross the neutral zone. However, the ball is dead when caught or recovered (Rules 2-8-1-a and 4-1-3-g).

Being very pedantic, this is worded incorrectly. The first sentence says A1 or B1 makes a FC signal, but in the ruling, it says B is not allowed to - is doing so a foul? Is it a violation? Is it ignored? If it's ignored (which it kind of seems to be), why doesn't it say 'Any signal by Team A OR B is ignored?'

Things to ponder, waiting on the eclipse...

My take of the A.R. is that if A1 does a high waving signal, that is ignored and the ball will continue to be in play if caught or recovered by team B. If B1 does a high waving signal, fair catch rules do not kick in but the ball will become dead when possessed by a player of either team.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Fair Catch rules

« Last post by dammitbobby on April 08, 2024, 09:17:44 AM »

AR 6-5-3

A1 or B1 signals for a fair catch beyond the neutral zone during a kick that does not cross the neutral zone. RULING: Any signal by Team A is ignored. Team B may not make a fair catch signal because the ball did not
cross the neutral zone. However, the ball is dead when caught or recovered (Rules 2-8-1-a and 4-1-3-g).

Being very pedantic, this is worded incorrectly. The first sentence says A1 or B1 makes a FC signal, but in the ruling, it says B is not allowed to - is doing so a foul? Is it a violation? Is it ignored? If it's ignored (which it kind of seems to be), why doesn't it say 'Any signal by Team A OR B is ignored?'

Things to ponder, waiting on the eclipse...

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Fair Catch rules

« Last post by bossman72 on April 08, 2024, 08:31:46 AM »

So, if a player of Team B gives a signal behind/in/beyond the neutral zone, but the ball does not cross the neutral zone, the signal means nothing. The ball remains alive and in play, and players of either team may catch or recover, and advance the ball. 

I think we talked about this in a thread a year or so ago.  They changed this about 10 years ago in the ARs.  This is a dead ball now.

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General Discussion / Re: Rule writers

« Last post by Etref on April 06, 2024, 11:28:13 PM »

👍

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General Discussion / Re: Rule writers

« Last post by ElvisLives on April 06, 2024, 06:58:46 PM »

Knew Dotson was there, didn’t know he had a vote

Not Dotson, Bailey Marshal - UIL Exec Director back then. I believe Dotson was able to sit in and advise, but the UIL had the vote.

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General Discussion / Re: Rule writers

« Last post by Etref on April 06, 2024, 06:29:42 PM »

The Texas high school association, the University Interscholastic League (UIL) held a voting position on the NCAA Rules Committee for some time, until 1984. The NCAA actually used the UIL to ‘experiment’ with some rules back in those days.
Not saying that was good or bad. Just a fact.

Knew Dotson was there, didn’t know he had a vote

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Fair Catch

« Last post by dch on April 06, 2024, 05:58:40 PM »

we were taught he was just waving Hello to his mom in the stands.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Fair Catch

« Last post by sczeebra on April 06, 2024, 04:50:40 PM »

(2-9-4a) is only concerned with the how it's done not where. We shouldn't penalize for an invalid signal. Since he is afforded no protection I have always taught in class that the receiver signalling behind the NZ is in effect just waving his arm.

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General Discussion / Re: Rule writers

« Last post by ElvisLives on April 06, 2024, 02:31:51 PM »

The Texas high school association, the University Interscholastic League (UIL) held a voting position on the NCAA Rules Committee for some time, until 1984. The NCAA actually used the UIL to ‘experiment’ with some rules back in those days.
Not saying that was good or bad. Just a fact.