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Sideline Management Help
« on: November 14, 2024, 10:55:02 AM »
As a first year L, I feel like keeping the coaches where they're supposed to be is an area I need to improve on.  I'm definitely being overly permissive and need to be better at being in control.  Some of that has to do with an ignorance of the rules on my part.  I also feel like they take what they can get, so setting expectations early in the game should be important. 

So let's start with rules, and then move to practical application of it.

9-2-1-b-1 says
Other prohibited acts include:
1. During the game, coaches, squad members, and authorized attendants
in the team area may not be on the field of play or outside the 20-yard
lines to protest an officiating decision or to communicate with players
or officials without permission from the referee. (Exceptions: Rules 1-2-
4-f, 3-3-4-d, 3-3-9-b, and 3-5-1).

1-2-4-f says kickers can practice outside the team area if there's not enough room.
3-3-4-d says a head coach "in or in the vicinity of their team area or coaching box" may call a timeout, which in this case I guess means the coach can leave the coaching box to call a timeout.
3-3-9-b says if the visual game clock is not working and the officials are keeping time on the field, a representative can leave the team area and move along the limit line to relay time information to the team.
3-5-1 says substitutes can enter the game between downs.

PENALTY [1-4]—Unsportsmanlike conduct. Dead-ball foul. 15 yards from
the succeeding spot [S7 and S27]. Automatic first down for
fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules. Flagrant
offenders, if players or substitutes, shall be ejected [S47].


Then we have 9-2-5:
Game Administration and Sideline Interference
ARTICLE 5. While the ball is alive and during the continuing action after the
ball has been declared dead:
a. Coaches, substitutes and authorized attendants in the team area must be
behind the coaching line.

PENALTY—Administer as a dead-ball foul. First infraction: Warning for
sideline interference. No yardage penalty. [S15]
Second and third infractions: Delay of game for sideline
interference, five yards from the succeeding spot. [S21 and S29]
Fourth and subsequent infractions: Team unsportsmanlike
conduct for sideline interference, 15 yards from the succeeding
spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict
with other rules. [S27 and S29]

b. Physical interference with an official is a foul charged to the team for
unsportsmanlike conduct. (A.R. 9-2-5-I)
PENALTY—Team unsportsmanlike conduct. Administer as a dead-ball
foul. 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first down
for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules.[S27]

I didn't see any relevant UIL exceptions to either rule.

Then we have these approved rulings:
9-2-1-VIII. Safety B33 intercepts a pass at the B-10 and returns for a touchdown.
As he is coming down the sideline covering the play the line judge drops
his flag after he runs into the Team B head coach who is just on the field
of play near the B-40.
RULING: Although this is a foul that takes place
while the ball is alive, it is treated as a dead-ball foul against the team
because it is committed by a non-player. The touchdown counts and the
15-yard penalty is enforced on the try, the succeeding kickoff, or from the
succeeding spot in extra periods.

9-2-5-I. On the opening kickoff, B22 catches the kick at his goal line and returns
the ball down the sideline on Team B’s side of the field. As he moves
down the sideline officiating the play, the side judge either runs into or
must run around a Team B coach or squad member in the restricted
area (“the white”). B22 is driven out of bounds at the A-20.
RULING: Either situation is physical interference with an official during the play.
No warning. Team B foul for unsportsmanlike conduct administered as a
dead-ball foul. After the 15-yard penalty, Team B will have first and 10 at
the A-35.

9-2-5-II. During a long kickoff return, the Side Judge has to stop and run around the
head coach who is out of the coaching box in the restricted area or on the
field of play near the sideline.
RULING: Team foul for unsportsmanlike
conduct. Administer as a dead-ball foul. Penalize 15 yards at the succeeding
spot. This is a team foul, and is not charged as an unsportsmanlike conduct
foul against the head coach.

9-2-5-III. During a long kickoff return, the head coach and/or other coaches are
outside the coaching box and are in the restricted area or on the field of
play near the sideline. No physical interference is made with an official
during the play.
RULING: Administer as a dead-ball foul.
First infraction: Warning for sideline interference. No yardage penalty.
Second and third infractions: Delay of game for sideline interference, five
yards from the succeeding spot.
Fourth and subsequent infractions: Team unsportsmanlike conduct foul
for sideline interference. Penalize 15 yards at the succeeding spot. This is a
team foul, and is not charged as an unsportsmanlike conduct foul against
any coach.

So a strict, literal enforcement of this would be that anytime a coach (just focusing on coaches for now) steps across the sideline and onto the field, or steps past the 20 yard line, to communicate with players or officials, it is a 15 yard UNS penalty.  Anytime during or immediately after a play an official has to move around a coach in the restricted white area or on the field, it's a 15 yard UNS penalty.  If coaches enter the restricted area or field of play during or immediately after a play and it doesn't interfere with the movement of the official, it's a warning the first time and escalates from there.


Here is what I routinely see and do.  What should I be doing instead in each scenario?

At lower levels of play (JH and JV) it is common for the offensive coach to have the QB or a WR come towards the sideline.  The coach steps 1 or 2 steps onto the field and gives the play to that player.  I then remind the coach, repeatedly throughout the game, to get back behind the sideline and off the field before the play starts.

At all levels, defensive coaches are often taking a step or two onto the field to call in plays to their teams.  I then remind the coach, repeatedly throughout the game, to get back behind the sideline and off the field before the play starts.

Coaches are routinely standing in the restricted area during and between plays.  If they're near me, I politely tell them to back up and give me some space to work.  If I have to go around them during a play I pass in front of them and tell them to backup.

When the ball is near the goal line, coaches sometimes wander down past the 20 yard line, and sometimes even onto the field, to call in plays.  If I notice, tell them to get back inside the coaches box.

Once a long FG attempt was short and was returned by the defense.  The defensive team coaches were across the sideline and on the field of play during the return. 

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2024, 01:28:23 PM »
First, I’m thrilled to see someone choose to take responsibility for their own sideline. All too I often, I am subjected to wing officials that will not do anything about behavior on their sidelines. For some reason, they seem to defer that to the referee, who, at some point, has to get involved, otherwise we’ll have coaches in the huddles between downs. You think I’m joking? No. I’m not.
Second, the way you describe how you handle the sidelines is pretty typical among those that DO take responsibility for their sidelines. I wouldn’t change anything - just keep up the good work.
One thing- you don’t necessarily need to run around coaches in the restricted area during a down. After (no flag) warnings to stay out of the white, even better to gently run into the guy, and flag him for game administration interference - physical interference with an official, and go straight to 15 yards. That usually fixes the problem.

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2024, 02:08:49 PM »
Thanks.  Good to know I'm not doing as bad at it as I feel like I am.

I feel like it's distracting to me having to constantly remind them to back up off the field and keep the restricted area clear.  I'm thinking a single flag early in the game after the first warning would have a better impact than my words alone.  I haven't called a single penalty on it all year, mostly because I hadn't taken the time to understand the exact rules on what they were allowed and what the impact of the flag would be.

On the specific example of coaches being a few steps out on the field during the short FG return, would you have flagged that?  The player returning the ball was tackled at Team A's 10 yard line, so they were set up for a short field.  But they were flagged for an illegal blindside block that brought them all the way back to their own 30 or so.  IF I had also flagged them for a sideline warning, I'm thinking that would just count against their 1 warning and not impacted the outcome of the play at all, right?  Even if they had run it back for a TD, got it down to the A-10, or it got brought back on the illegal block the play would stand?

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2024, 05:00:40 PM »
Have your R make sure who is the “get back coach” on your sideline in the pregame coaches meeting. During warmups, search the person out nd discuss your needs and philosophy. Tell him you will be calling him all night and expect his help.
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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2024, 08:28:19 AM »
A lot of times I will tell the players to back up and give there coaches some room to work. This will typically make the coach turn and look and tell the players to back up. This is when they will realize that they are out to far as well and will attempt to back up for a few plays. It is a constant battle to keep the sideline clear. Some districts are very good overall at keeping the sideline clear, but this is usually a directive from the AD of that district.

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2024, 09:09:04 AM »
On the specific example of coaches being a few steps out on the field during the short FG return, would you have flagged that?  The player returning the ball was tackled at Team A's 10 yard line, so they were set up for a short field.  But they were flagged for an illegal blindside block that brought them all the way back to their own 30 or so.  IF I had also flagged them for a sideline warning, I'm thinking that would just count against their 1 warning and not impacted the outcome of the play at all, right?  Even if they had run it back for a TD, got it down to the A-10, or it got brought back on the illegal block the play would stand?

By the description, the returner had outrun you (normal), and you were following the returner, and some coaches stepped out onto the field behind the returner, but in front of you. OK, maybe you cut them some slack and run around them, but start the sideline interference process with a flag, which is just a warning. Yes, their return would not be impacted by the warning. Even if you 'ran into' someone, the physical interference foul would not directly impact the return, because such a foul is treated as a dead-ball foul, and is penalized at the succeeding spot (so a score would stand). It would be penalized on top of any live-ball foul, though (and the live-ball foul would cancel a score).

Good discussion. Keep up the good work.

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2024, 10:54:56 AM »
I'm kind of in a similar boat, I've never thrown a SL warning but make myself hoarse at times yelling at them to get back, especially on fields that do not have a dedicated officials' area, then a coaching area, then a team area (i.e., the majority of grass fields in this area.)  I did give a coach a healthy shove out of my way a few weeks ago, but didn't flag it; it was a scrimmage kick that died at the 3 (Team A coach was the one in the way) and I knew if I flagged it, it wouldn't really be impactful to go from the 3 to the 1.5 (Team A was running buck wild on B, they actually scored the next play on a 97-yard run). 

Appreciate you taking the time to post the relevant rules, it is a good reminder of an section in the rule book that I (like many others) don't spend enough time on.

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2024, 02:07:01 PM »
Kudos to you for taking this on, and taking responsibility for your sideline.

That's usually part of my pregame speech with wings: "Your sidelines are your responsibility. I'm not going to get involved, but I encourage you to do whatever you have to do to work the ladder from politely asking to sideline warnings to actual penalties. It's your sideline and your area - until they get out to the numbers. Then it's MY responsibility, and it's not going to be pretty for anyone."

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2024, 02:40:24 PM »
Kudos to you for taking this on, and taking responsibility for your sideline.

That's usually part of my pregame speech with wings: "Your sidelines are your responsibility. I'm not going to get involved, but I encourage you to do whatever you have to do to work the ladder from politely asking to sideline warnings to actual penalties. It's your sideline and your area - until they get out to the numbers. Then it's MY responsibility, and it's not going to be pretty for anyone."

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2024, 03:24:07 PM »
Kudos to you for taking this on, and taking responsibility for your sideline.

That's usually part of my pregame speech with wings: "Your sidelines are your responsibility. I'm not going to get involved, but I encourage you to do whatever you have to do to work the ladder from politely asking to sideline warnings to actual penalties. It's your sideline and your area - until they get out to the numbers. Then it's MY responsibility, and it's not going to be pretty for anyone."
Football can be an emotional game, even for the adults, a subtle warning can often defuse a situation & return decorum.  If additional persuasion is deemed necessary, As privately as possible, asking an over excited Coach, "Please, don't make me do something I (really) don't like to do" may ease his tension.

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Re: Sideline Management Help
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2024, 05:15:30 PM »
Are varsity games in OP's area with 5 or 7 officials? If 5, OP is on his own. If 7, he and F can cooperate in keeping the sideline clear.

I have worked as a deep official in crews of 5, 6, and 7. As a deep wing, I would ask coaches on my sideline to move back. While short wings threw most of the sideline warning flags, I have had to throw the occasional GAM flag (the 15 yard flag for contact on the sideline) when working as a deep wing. These days, I mostly work back judge, so I am not on the sidelines that often. In games with crews of 6, I also try to help my short wing by clearing markers as far back as possible (goal line markers to the limit lines, other markers at least 2 yards back, so that coaches have a visual cue for how far back they need to go).