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Offline HoustonUmp

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Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« on: December 23, 2017, 05:21:42 PM »
Late 3rd qtr in Allen v Lake Travis game, LT executed a successful onside kick. There was an illegal block before the ball went 10 yards, and a flag was thrown.  LT recovers the kick beyond the 10 yard mark.  Ruling on field:  illegal block on kicking team, 5 yards from spot of foul, Allen's ball 1st and 10.  OOOPS!   It really hurts when Allen goes down and scores a touchdown.
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Offline Clear Lake ref

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 05:22:59 PM »
That was really bad. Especially since coach was arguing correctly and umpire gave him a stfu look.
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Offline BankerRef

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 05:29:34 PM »
Basic penalty enforcement.  Inconceivable that not a single member of the crew could jump in and get that fixed.

Great pickup by the FJ ruined by poor administration.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2017, 05:44:42 PM by BankerRef »
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Offline TxBJ

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Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 05:35:58 PM »
Agree with all of you. My phone started getting texts right away from fellow officials.
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Offline stormref99

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 05:45:12 PM »
How can the R just announce "5 yard penalty, and Allen gets the ball" when the foul occurred during the free kick and Lake Travis ended up possessing the ball with no illegal touching. Horrible enforcement. Re-kick it my man
« Last Edit: December 23, 2017, 05:52:23 PM by stormref99 »
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Offline HoustonUmp

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 05:46:42 PM »
I am guessing that they were thinking same rationale as KCI foul. Not a valid reason, but best I can come up with.
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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 05:51:47 PM »
Should be better working this game.
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Offline TexDoc

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 06:11:05 PM »
Great call.  Obviously wrong enforcement.  I know these guys well and I’m shocked they kicked this one. 
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Offline TxJim

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 06:13:51 PM »
Quote from: TexDoc on December 23, 2017, 06:11:05 PM
Great call.  Obviously wrong enforcement.  I know these guys well and I’m shocked they kicked this one.

Agree. I think otherwise they worked a solid game.
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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 06:23:06 PM »
The dpi on Allen was a tough call.  At full speed I understand the call because the defender had his hands on the back of the receiver.  When you watch it in slow motion, it is obvious the feet got tangled.  We don’t get that luxury though.
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Offline TXPanhandle

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 06:24:21 PM »
Quote from: TxJim on December 23, 2017, 06:13:51 PM
Agree. I think otherwise they worked a solid game.

Overall I think the crew did well. Certainly carried the R who is obviously not comfortable on the microphone.

No disrespect intended but was that by chance a “Thataboy” assignment? 
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Offline TxBJ

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Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2017, 06:24:38 PM »
Quote from: TexDoc on December 23, 2017, 06:23:06 PM
The dpi on Allen was a tough call.  At full speed I understand the call because the defender had his hands on the back of the receiver.  When you watch it in slow motion, it is obvious the feet got tangled.  We don’t get that luxury though.
Agree. Probably an incorrect call but understand what it looked like at full speed.
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Offline TXMike

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2017, 06:29:06 PM »
Quote from: TXPanhandle on December 23, 2017, 06:24:21 PM
Overall I think the crew did well. Certainly carried the R who is obviously not comfortable on the microphone.

No disrespect intended but was that by chance a “Thataboy” assignment?

You are not saying that his apparent uncomfortableness on the microphone means he had to "be carried" are you ?   It was not a "thataboy" assignment.  Many of the crew have previous state championship experience. 
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Offline TXPanhandle

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2017, 06:31:38 PM »
Quote from: TXMike on December 23, 2017, 06:29:06 PM
You are not saying that his apparent uncomfortableness on the microphone means he had to "be carried" are you ?   It was not a "thataboy" assignment.  Many of the crew have previous state championship experience.

Two separate items.
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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2017, 06:51:44 PM »
Quote from: TexDoc on December 23, 2017, 06:23:06 PM
The dpi on Allen was a tough call.  At full speed I understand the call because the defender had his hands on the back of the receiver.  When you watch it in slow motion, it is obvious the feet got tangled.  We don’t get that luxury though.

For sake of discussion, I believe I heard/read that in the case where the defender gets tangled with receiver and he is "looking back" playing the ball it is nothing, but if he is just chasing or running with defender then he can be guilty of DPI if the feet get tangled.  Based on that philosophy this was a good call. 

And yes, JD made a great call on the free kick block. 
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Offline TXMike

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2017, 09:44:28 PM »
I guess we could call it a crew saver call since the opposite-side official did not pick it up on the kick away from him
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Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2017, 09:47:02 PM »
Quote from: TXMike on December 23, 2017, 09:44:28 PM
I guess we could call it a crew saver call since the opposite-side official did not pick it up on the kick away from him
Good point. He had everything coming his way and calmly tossed the flag and kept working.
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Offline TexDoc

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2017, 10:21:43 PM »
Quote from: TxBJ on December 23, 2017, 09:47:02 PM
Good point. He had everything coming his way and calmly tossed the flag and kept working.

He’s seen that call on video so I’m sure he immediately knew it was a foul. 
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Offline bctgp

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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2017, 11:12:55 PM »
Just watched my recording of the game and saw this - that's a big time misapplication mess-up.
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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2017, 12:08:13 AM »
https://youtu.be/2nh-nSGXMaA  For anyone that didnt see the game or a replay
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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2017, 10:41:24 AM »
I remember these guys from my time in San Antonio. They're a good crew, just really effed this play up.
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Re: Foul by kicking team on onside kick
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2018, 02:27:26 PM »
Quote from: mccormicw on December 24, 2017, 12:08:13 AM
https://youtu.be/2nh-nSGXMaA  For anyone that didnt see the game or a replay

Thanks Dave.
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