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Offline AlUpstateNY

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Re: 2016 Rules Changes
« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2016, 10:34:41 AM »
Think that's sorta the point of why their wanting reports sent in - so that they can show that it never really happens. I think in my eight years as a deep official I've called it once.

Is it possible, that players know instinctively that "face guarding" type behavior is NOT something they should be doing, which might be the main reason we see so little of it, or have a need to call it.  This rule is CLEARLY something that isn't broken, why should it be "fixed"

Eliminating it, will be a sure sign that it's a behavior that it is allowable SO it will be worth trying, and we'll get to see a lot more of it -BUT if the rule is changed, we won't be able to do anything about it.  The real question might be, "Why would anyone want to encourage face-guarding"?

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Re: 2016 Rules Changes
« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2016, 10:38:48 AM »
Is it possible, that players know instinctively that "face guarding" type behavior is NOT something they should be doing, which might be the main reason we see so little of it, or have a need to call it.  This rule is CLEARLY something that isn't broken, why should it be "fixed"

Eliminating it, will be a sure sign that it's a behavior that it is allowable SO it will be worth trying, and we'll get to see a lot more of it -BUT if the rule is changed, we won't be able to do anything about it.  The real question might be, "Why would anyone want to encourage face-guarding"?

Anecdotally I believe that if you polled all high school defensive backs in the entire country <5% would even know that face guarding is/was a foul. So I disagree with the entire premise of your point.

There's no rationale reason in my mind why face guarding should be a foul. Defensive pass interference without any contact whatsoever is absurd on its face. The NCAA and NFL games have been going for years without face guarding being a foul, and I'd like anyone to show me how it has been a detriment to the game.

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Re: 2016 Rules Changes
« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2016, 11:14:07 AM »
Never called it, only seen it called once.  I did not have a good look at the play, so I don't know if it was a good call or not.

Offline AlUpstateNY

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Re: 2016 Rules Changes
« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2016, 12:02:50 PM »
Anecdotally I believe that if you polled all high school defensive backs in the entire country <5% would even know that face guarding is/was a foul. So I disagree with the entire premise of your point.

There's no rationale reason in my mind why face guarding should be a foul. Defensive pass interference without any contact whatsoever is absurd on its face.

Sounds like we agree, leaving things as they are, or eliminating this prohibition completely isn't likely to make much of a meaningful difference either way.  A lot of things that rarely break ever get fixed.

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Re: 2016 Rules Changes
« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2016, 02:18:55 PM »
Is it possible, that players know instinctively that "face guarding" type behavior is NOT something they should be doing, which might be the main reason we see so little of it, or have a need to call it.  This rule is CLEARLY something that isn't broken, why should it be "fixed"

Eliminating it, will be a sure sign that it's a behavior that it is allowable SO it will be worth trying, and we'll get to see a lot more of it -BUT if the rule is changed, we won't be able to do anything about it.  The real question might be, "Why would anyone want to encourage face-guarding"?
Players know they shouldn't hold, clip, block below the waist, rough the QB or commit an unsporting act, too. That hasn't slowed some of them down. :)
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Re: 2016 Rules Changes
« Reply #80 on: July 26, 2016, 07:36:31 AM »
I was unaware that face guarding wasn't a foul. Then again, I'm an umpire so the PIs that I have the privilege of calling usually go against the offense, I had always assumed that we were going by the Rogers Redding rule, that if you're not playing the ball and you don't look back for the ball, then 9 times out of 10 it's going to be caught or called for pass interference.
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Offline SouthGARef

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Re: 2016 Rules Changes
« Reply #81 on: July 26, 2016, 08:30:31 AM »
I was unaware that face guarding wasn't a foul. Then again, I'm an umpire so the PIs that I have the privilege of calling usually go against the offense, I had always assumed that we were going by the Rogers Redding rule, that if you're not playing the ball and you don't look back for the ball, then 9 times out of 10 it's going to be caught or called for pass interference.

Face guarding is still a foul under NFHS code. Georgia's just an experimental state in doing away with it.

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Re: 2016 Rules Changes
« Reply #82 on: August 03, 2016, 07:56:12 AM »
I've never called a PI for face guarding.  I've only seen it once, and I'll admit that I kicked it years and years ago, and SHOULD have flagged it, though.