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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: Ref13 on October 20, 2015, 01:55:05 PM
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What have some of you white hats done when you get to the toss and realize you've left your coin?
Hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it will. So far I try to keep a spare quarter tucked behind the Honig's logo on my bean bag.
I know one guy around here who did a "fake" coin flip. Pretended to throw it in the air and catch it. Nobody suspected a thing.
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One guy once used a keychain fob- I think it was a Pabst Blue Ribbon logo-for a MS game.
I've seen some guys use "odd/even number of fingers behind my back".
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Let the captains play rock, paper, scissors.
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Pick a number between 1-1000 ... Price is Right Rules
aWaRd
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'Visiting team - if you won the toss, what would you do?'
'Receive'
'Home team - if you won the toss, what would you do?'
'Defer'
'Ok. No problem here. Visiting team, you get the ball. Home team, which side are you defending?'
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Thankfully, I've never had it happen -- yet.
"Something to blow,
Something to throw.
Something to write on,
Something to write with.
Something to count with,
Something to flip."
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Thankfully, I've never had it happen -- yet.
"Something to blow,
Something to throw.
Something else to throw
Something to write on,
Something to write with.
Something to count with,
Something to flip."
Don't forget your bean bag.
CSB -- I got to save the day in Week 1 this year since I keep an Eisenhower Dollar in my bag just in case. White hat's wife decided to be helpful and clean out his bag during the off season -- and not everything made it back in.
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Get the umpire to carry a coin as well - you are unlikely both to forget it!
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Don't forget your bean bag.
CSB -- I got to save the day in Week 1 this year since I keep an Eisenhower Dollar in my bag just in case. White hat's wife decided to be helpful and clean out his bag during the off season -- and not everything made it back in.
Always have my Eisenhower dollar...
Me: Boys this is Mr. Eisenhower and is heads. Everybody know who he is?
Usual response: Yep, yessir, he's a president or general or sum thin'
Me: That's right...and boys, he's the only US president to do what you're doing tonight....play Kansas high school football
It wouldn't work very well without my coin
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Get the umpire to carry a coin as well - you are unlikely both to forget it!
This +1 It is our organizations policy and part of the Umpires responsibilities to carry a coin in case of a brain fart by the White Hat.
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This +1 It is our organizations policy and part of the Umpires responsibilities to carry a coin in case of a "SENIOR MOMENT" by the White Hat.
And does the white hat carry an extra sNiCkErS for the U? ;D
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And does the white hat carry an extra sNiCkErS for the U? ;D
Well sir while wearing the Black Hat I have never received one and while wearing the White Hat I would have already eaten it myself so would only have the wrapper to give him, and that would surely not be in good form!
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The visiting team coach realized what was happening when I was digging through my pockets, and sent a quarter out with his talking captain.
I was about to do rock, paper, scissors until the captain handed me the quarter and said "coach wants this back."
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Today's kids don't seem to know any history....I used an Eisenhower dollar for the coin flip, but before I tossed the coin I asked if anybody knew who this person is....one brave soul answered "Mr. Clean"...I stood there in disbelief.
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What have some of you white hats done when you get to the toss and realize you've left your coin?
Hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it will. So far I try to keep a spare quarter tucked behind the Honig's logo on my bean bag.
I know one guy around here who did a "fake" coin flip. Pretended to throw it in the air and catch it. Nobody suspected a thing.
If your Umpire is worth a crap, he will not allow this to happen. As an Umpire, it is my job to make sure that doesn't happen. I have a pre-game duty card that I read from and I will not let my white hat leave the dressing room until I ask him, (and he answers affirmatively) "do you have a coin for the coin toss?"
(I ALWAYS carry a coin in my gear bag just in case).
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'Visiting team - if you won the toss, what would you do?'
'Receive'
'Home team - if you won the toss, what would you do?'
'Defer'
'Ok. No problem here. Visiting team, you get the ball. Home team, which side are you defending?'
I actually did this in a game last season. During pre-game we ended up asking each coach what they wanted their captains to do if they won the toss. Normally we don't but for some reason that night we did. The quoted text above is about exactly how the whole thing went down.
And for the record..... I did have a coin.
It worked out fine but I'll never do it again. Our Umpire gave me a stern lecture afterward. I had basically robbed the captains of an honor they have worked very hard for four years to earn. Sometimes to us things like the toss become just mundane duties that we have to do to get the game going. But to the players, it's a much bigger deal. Probably the only thing I regret to date in my officiating career.
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I actually did this in a game last season. During pre-game we ended up asking each coach what they wanted their captains to do if they won the toss. Normally we don't but for some reason that night we did. The quoted text above is about exactly how the whole thing went down.
And for the record..... I did have a coin.
It worked out fine but I'll never do it again. Our Umpire gave me a stern lecture afterward. I had basically robbed the captains of an honor they have worked very hard for four years to earn. Sometimes to us things like the toss become just mundane duties that we have to do to get the game going. But to the players, it's a much bigger deal. Probably the only thing I regret to date in my officiating career.
There is a middle ground where BOTH you and your Umpire are correct.
There is no harm, and actually a great benefit, to asking coaches about their choices. No one else has to know that you did, when the captains come out to midfield, you can ensure that they are acting in compliance with the coach's wishes. This way you are still allowing the captains their opportunity as SC_Casey and his Umpire wish.
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Some of the schools mic us. To me, it's too boring to say ,"Testing 1-2-3, testing 1-2-3. " To ensure that the system is working, I'll say, "Does anyone in the stands have change for a dollar for the coin toss ??? 8]?"Usually some fans will answer, usually most fans will chuckle."
"Happy fans boo less" - author anonymous
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There is a middle ground where BOTH you and your Umpire are correct.
There is no harm, and actually a great benefit, to asking coaches about their choices. No one else has to know that you did, when the captains come out to midfield, you can ensure that they are acting in compliance with the coach's wishes. This way you are still allowing the captains their opportunity as SC_Casey and his Umpire wish.
Exercising just a little bit of common sense allows us to TOTALLY AVOID unnecessary conflict, and easily comply with the intent, spirit & letter of NFHS 2-32-5-a. It is the team "Captain's" job (responsibility & tradition) to deal with the choices available at the "Coin Toss".
Of course, there is absolutely NOTHING NEGATIVE about inquiring before hand, of the respective Head Coaches, what their instructions (plans) are about the decisions the Captains will make, as a prudent precaution to avoid confusion If a conflict should arise and the Captain's choice be different than what his Coach indicated that choice should be, a minimum of common sense should provide the Referee the wherewith-all to successfully navigate the difference, and inconspicuously confirm that the desired choice is made.
As suggested above, this process and tradition may be a "big-deal" for the players so designated. There's simply NO NEED to interfere, when avoiding any surprising conflict, should be SO EASY.
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If your Umpire is worth a crap, he will not allow this to happen. As an Umpire, it is my job to make sure that doesn't happen. I have a pre-game duty card that I read from and I will not let my white hat leave the dressing room until I ask him, (and he answers affirmatively) "do you have a coin for the coin toss?"
(I ALWAYS carry a coin in my gear bag just in case).
When I am working U, I will ask the R to show me his coin before we leave the locker room. One time it saved us as he did not have it, still in his gear bag.
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For subvarsity games we arrive on-site in uniform. I always have a coin in my pocket in case the WH shows up without one.
For varsity games we do our pre-game and dress at the same place. I make sure that the WH has a coin before we go out to the field.
As we all know... umpires are the most important part of the crew. aWaRd and we have to look out for the rest of our team. nAnA
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In baseball playoffs in Georgia, each round is 2 out of 3. The host team is the home team for game one, the travelling team is the "home" team for game 2. If there is a game 3, there is a coin toss.
Last year, we had a series go three games. Not one umpire had a coin. Not one coach on either team had a coin (we're in baseball pants, why would we have a coin?). Finally, the AD of the host school saw what was going on and walked out on the field with a quarter in his hand. But he told the umpires, "I'm subtracting that quarter from your game fee."
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In baseball playoffs in Georgia, each round is 2 out of 3. The host team is the home team for game one, the travelling team is the "home" team for game 2. If there is a game 3, there is a coin toss.
Last year, we had a series go three games. Not one umpire had a coin. Not one coach on either team had a coin (we're in baseball pants, why would we have a coin?). Finally, the AD of the host school saw what was going on and walked out on the field with a quarter in his hand. But he told the umpires, "I'm subtracting that quarter from your game fee."
Coin toss in baseball :o ??? ::) :P??? Whatever happened to the ole' bat toss - fists only - need 3 fingers under the knob to count??? Did the Confederacy issue coins during the War of Northern Aggression??? Will the Cubbies win 4 in a row???? Will it be a Patriot/Falcon Super Bowl???
......enough questions for now ^good.
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Coin toss in baseball :o ??? ::) :P???
Little League uses a coin toss in the district tournament to decide home team for opening rounds. Once the games go to seeded play, they use higher seed.
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Coin toss in baseball :o ??? ::) :P??? Whatever happened to the ole' bat toss - fists only - need 3 fingers under the knob to count??? Did the Confederacy issue coins during the War of Northern Aggression??? Will the Cubbies win 4 in a row???? Will it be a Patriot/Falcon Super Bowl???
......enough questions for now ^good.
Cubbies are toast. LGM! pHiNzuP
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Will it be a Patriot/Falcon Super Bowl???
No
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On a somewhat related note, last Friday the team that won the toss elected to defer. I said to the other captain, you want the ball, right? He said, "We'll kick." I said "You want the ball, right?" He said "We'll kick." I explained that meant he'd kick to start both halves and he said "We'll receive." The winning captain heard all of this, and said "He wants to kick, let him." He then told his coach what happened, and the coach went out of his way to express his displeasure with me. I told him that I wouldn't let his captain make that mistake either, but that didn't seem to help.
The U and I always ask captains what they'll do if they win the toss before we bring them out. Maybe we should start asking "What will you do if the other team wins?" as well.
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Ask someone on the sideline if you can borrow a quarter. Bummed one off the cheerleading squad last week. We're human, it happens.
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My U does an "equipment" rundown. Starts at the Hat and goes all the way to his shoes...
Hat
Whistle
something to write with
something to write on
Down indicator
Bean Bag
Flag
Belt, buckled
Pants buttoned
Zippers zipped
Shoes tied
At that point I tap the coin in my pocket...every once in a while someone will zip up. It's amazing that grown men can't remember to zip their fly. I guess better in the locker room than on the field!
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Coin toss in baseball?
A rare event, but it happens. First you have to make the playoffs. Then you have to have a game three in a three game series. That's why no umpire carries a coin!
Did the Confederacy issue coins during the War of Northern Aggression???
Yes and no. During the war, 3 of the 5 US mints were in the South. The CSA took them over and kept making US coins, keeping them for their own use.
There were 4 CSA Silver Half Dollars made (yes, 4. Not 4 types or 4 designs, 4 coins). Even if I had one, I don't think I would use it for a high school coin toss. The last one that sold went for $881,000. There were also 12 CSA one cent coins made by a jeweler in Philadelphia, but they were never delivered to the CSA. Those are relatively cheap, one selling for $141,000.
Will the Cubbies win 4 in a row????
While I hope so, I'm not counting on it. There is more of a chance of me lending one of those CSA Half Dollars to this week's white hat for the coin toss.
Will it be a Patriot/Falcon Super Bowl???
If so, Dan Quinn would EASILY be Coach of the Year, given that we won 10 games total in the last two years.
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The U and I always ask captains what they'll do if they win the toss before we bring them out. Maybe we should start asking "What will you do if the other team wins?" as well.
Before I walk the captains out to the R for the toss, I always ask the captain what he's going to say if they win. About twice a year, the kid says "we want to kick". I always remind him, in front of a coach if at all remotely possible, that if he says "kick" they're kicking twice, and that he needs to say "defer". I can't control what he says when he gets to the center of the field, but the more I can do to get one of the simplest parts of the game done without any stress, the better off the game tends to start.
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I always remind him, in front of a coach if at all remotely possible, that if he says "kick" they're kicking twice,
Not necessarily. The other team may be just as dumb and choose which direction they want to kick off the second half. LOL
The whole, "You kick the first half, I kick the second" is so ingrained, I wouldn't be all that surprised to see it happen.
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Actually did a coin toss prior to the game with the coaches
Coach blue. Wins. Says we defer
Coach white says we will defend the north end
Coach blue says. We will kick
Umpire and I scratched our heads and walked away
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Maybe we should start asking "What will you do if the other team wins?" as well.
I always ask that question before bringing out the captains. I am more amazed when they get it right, even high schoolers. What I ask them is "If you lose the toss and your opponent defers what are you going to do?" Then I look at the coach and tell him that we won't let him kick twice.
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I said "You want the ball, right?"
Some of our z^'s ask the captain this same question? IMHO, it is confusing ??? for some captains. Some z^ keep it simple and easy to understand. After Team A ^no they will ask the Team B captain, "Would you like to receive the ball to begin the game?"
If Team B captain says no, then z^ may say, "My apologies if I wasn't clear, you have the choice to receive the ball in the first half. Team A won the toss and chose to receive the ball in the 2nd half. Would you like to receive the ball to begin the game?"
IMHO, starting the game with a Captain making a bad decision does not get the game started on a good tone. As a wing, I only have so much rear-end to be eAt& on and I prefer to save it for the coach when he has more substantial things to discuss with me.
Will the Cubs win tonight? If not, GO BLACKHAWKS!!!!!
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My WH uses a Kennedy Half Dollar for the coin toss. Couple of weeks ago I asked the captains,"Who's on the Kennedy Half Dollar?" I got 8 blank stares. Not one answer. Not one dang answer.
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Coin toss in baseball :o ??? ::) :P??? Whatever happened to the ole' bat toss - fists only - need 3 fingers under the knob to count??? Did the Confederacy issue coins during the War of Northern Aggression??? Will the Cubbies win 4 in a row???? Will it be a Patriot/Falcon Super Bowl???
......enough questions for now ^good. With some of the Referees i worked with the bat toss probably would have had disasterious consequences
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Like many others here, I ask the HC during our pre-game what he wants to do if they win the toss.
After the toss, I'll ask the winning captain "Do you want to defer or receive (if the coach wants to defer) or receive or defer (if the coach wants to receive)?"
If the choice is "defer", I then tell the other captain "OK, you'll receive this half" and ask the deferring captain which way he wants to kick.
The only time I have a problem is when the winning captain tells me "We want to be facing the scoreboard in the 4th quarter." ??? ???
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My backup 'coin' is something I picked up in soccer, where keeping track of a coin over multiple games can be a little tougher for the center ref, who does more moving than a white hat.
Instead of fingers behind the back, I write down either a 1 or 2 on the game card and circle it, then ask the captains if it's a one or a two. Then nobody argues about "maybe he changed it".
I lost my Eisenhower last week on a JV game. Now I'm using a regular quarter, and I hate it.
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During the pre-game conference with the coach I always ask him what he wants to do if he wins or loses the toss. Receive or Defer? which end do you want to defend? And Do your captains know that? (The coach ALWAYS yes or they will).
When the coin is tossed, rather than asking if they want to receive, defer or defend, I ask them "You want to (insert coach's choice here), correct?" While I know that these players are in the later part of their high school education, and SHOULD know enough to make the right call, why play the "gotcha" game?
Unless the coach has specifically told me, after clarification that he wants to kick to start both halves, each team will start a half with the ball.
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I think part of the problem with the kids not understanding how this works goes back to the commentators on TV. In cases where the team winning the coin toss does something other than receive, the TV commentators rarely explain it correctly. If a team defers, the TV announcers often say "they elected to kick so they can get the ball the second half." If a team elects to defend a particular goal, they'll often say "they elected to kick so they could get the wind." It's really not surprising if high school kids just repeat that.
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Like many others here, I ask the HC during our pre-game what he wants to do if they win the toss.
After the toss, I'll ask the winning captain "Do you want to defer or receive (if the coach wants to defer) or receive or defer (if the coach wants to receive)?"
If the choice is "defer", I then tell the other captain "OK, you'll receive this half" and ask the deferring captain which way he wants to kick.
The only time I have a problem is when the winning captain tells me "We want to be facing the scoreboard in the 4th quarter." ??? ???
Had a coach tell me one time
I just want to have the wind in the 4th quarter
Told him option what his options could be but with the caveat that if the wind changed, all bets were off!
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Will it be a Patriot/Falcon Super Bowl???
Ralph was just a year early.
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Ralph was just a year early.
I believe I also posted to Atlanta Blue (has anyone heard from him?) that the Cubbies would win the World Series. Two predictions that came true 8]! My next prediction....
Tom Brady will retire from NFL in 3 years.
President Trump will not run for reelection.
Tom Brady, after winning his 8th Super Bowl, will enter the GOP primary.
Brady will win the GOP primary and choose basketball's LaBron James as his VP (couldn't choose Coach B as they are residents of the same state).
Brady will become or 46th president and Giselle (Mrs. Brady) will exceed Mrs. Trump as "Cutest First Lady since Jackie K.""
...oh,yes.. the Red Sox will win the 2017 World Series....
Those are my picks....I welcome yours tR:oLl tR:oLl tR:oLl tR:oLl tR:oLl
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Tom Brady will retire from NFL in tree years.
He'll make like a Ryan and Leaf?
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He'll make like a Ryan and Leaf?
I now know the value of just posting the number (3) than to spell it :-[!
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In baseball playoffs in Georgia, each round is 2 out of 3. The host team is the home team for game one, the travelling team is the "home" team for game 2. If there is a game 3, there is a coin toss.
Last year, we had a series go three games. Not one umpire had a coin. Not one coach on either team had a coin (we're in baseball pants, why would we have a coin?). Finally, the AD of the host school saw what was going on and walked out on the field with a quarter in his hand. But he told the umpires, "I'm subtracting that quarter from your game fee."
AB, welcome back!!!! We've missed your insight....hope all is well.
As for this topic, I always have a coin; but I have adopted the practice of asking each coach his preference including the direction he would want to kick - and, if one chooses to receive and the other chooses to defer, there is no reason to flip the coin! Of course, if both choose the same option. we flip.
We still bring the captains to the center of the field and give them their "moment", give them our "sportsmanship/mutual respect speech", and signal to the press box.
One time last year, in a game involving two really good teams and coaches, we went through our pre-game meeting with coaches, got their choices (home chose to defer and visitors chose to receive), did the captains' meeting, and had a great, back and forth first half. As we walked off the field for half-time, the home coach came up to me and inquired why we didn't actually didn't have a coin flip. I explained why a flip wasn't necessary and a "blank" stare came across is face - followed by the "light bulb" - after which I asked him if that's all he wanted to talk about. His answer was priceless: "Yeah, that was it - I guess we have a heck of a game on our hands!"[/color]
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When I was an R my Umpire used to carry a coin too. One thing I saw and was as near perfect substitute as a coin. Flip the game card. Whatever works! 8]
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Uh, Curious, note the date of AB's post you quoted today: October 21, 2015. Unfortunately, AB has not been on this site for over 90 days and seems to have dropped out of sight. Like everyone else, we hope he is OK and maybe has moved on to other things.
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Uh, Curious, note the date of AB's post you quoted today: October 21, 2015. Unfortunately, AB has not been on this site for over 90 days and seems to have dropped out of sight. Like everyone else, we hope he is OK and maybe has moved on to other things.
WOW, thanks Rulesman... I did not notice the date of the post (strange).
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There is a legend that one our WHs in the state flipped a lifesaver
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I hid the short end of a bullet pencil in my hand and said, "Pick a hand" during a JV game once.
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I believe that in the short-lived XFL this was settled by the ball flipped between the two captains and they would fight for it. Being of safety concerns, I would recommend that this would be performed by the largest coach from each team and added to Rule 1-7 ( the state's rights rule).
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I believe that in the short-lived XFL this was settled by the ball flipped between the two captains and they would fight for it. Being of safety concerns, I would recommend that this would be performed by the largest coach from each team and added to Rule 1-7 ( the state's rights rule).
I don't recall if they flipped the ball, but do remember a player from each team starting at their goal line and running to the 50 to recover the ball. The winner of the recovery got his choice.
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I don't recall if they flipped the ball, but do remember a player from each team starting at their goal line and running to the 50 to recover the ball. The winner of the recovery got his choice.
If we started our coaches at their goal line, I fear some would never make it to mid-field :)!
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I don't recall if they flipped the ball, but do remember a player from each team starting at their goal line and running to the 50 to recover the ball. The winner of the recovery got his choice.
And if I remember right, one of the players blew out his knee or shoulder and ended his season in the very first scramble of the first game.
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1 - most everyone, no matter the position, should have a coin of sorts in their black pocket thingie we write TO, capt, etc. - for this exact reason
2 - with no coin whatsoever, flip the forementioned black thingie.
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Had a semi-pro indoor league do a 1 on 1 goal line play for the coin flip.
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Yes and no. During the war, 3 of the 5 US mints were in the South. The CSA took them over and kept making US coins, keeping them for their own use.
There were 4 CSA Silver Half Dollars made (yes, 4. Not 4 types or 4 designs, 4 coins). Even if I had one, I don't think I would use it for a high school coin toss. The last one that sold went for $881,000. There were also 12 CSA one cent coins made by a jeweler in Philadelphia, but they were never delivered to the CSA. Those are relatively cheap, one selling for $141,000.
While I hope so, I'm not counting on it. There is more of a chance of me lending one of those CSA Half Dollars to this week's white hat for the coin toss.
If you are unable to get your hands on one of the 4 known CSA half dollars, just use a 1913 liberty head nickel. There are 5 of those known to exist.
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Let the captains play rock, paper, scissors.
Completely agree with AB.
The kids know how to play RPS even if you don't remember, and they will tell you who won.
I have er, um, "heard tell" of this happening at many a JV game.
Fair, Quick, Easy...
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Someone used a "Coin Flip App" on their cell phone once and
promptly received an admonishment from our Oregon SRI. ^no
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Someone used a "Coin Flip App" on their cell phone once and
promptly received an admonishment from our Oregon SRI. ^no
Why not ask the visiting captain to choose a number between 3 and 5. If he/she does not choose 4, they lose the "toss".
Or any set of numbers with only one number between them.
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Where we are dealing with student-athletes, may I suggest the following questions to decide the winner of the coinless coin toss......
FOR ALL SUB-VARSITY CAPTAINS : "If eggs were 12 cents a doz., how many eggs could you buy for a dollar??"
- 100 as eggs are a penny each 8]
FOR ALL VARSITY CAPTAINS : "I hold in my hand two US coins that total 55 cents in value - one is NOT a nickel - please keep that in mind. What are the two coins???"
- a half dollar and a nickel...note I said one is not a nickel (half dollar), I didn't say the other wasn't.
FOR IVY LEAGUE CAPTAINS : "The umpire will pick a number from 1-9, I then will pick a number from 1-9. You will need to multiply my number by the umpire's number by 15,873 and give the answer. "
-I always pick 7;
- if ump picks 3 =333,333...if ump picks 8 = 888,888
- 7 X 15,873 = 111,111....
DON'T WORRY, GUYS, THE NEW RULES WILL BE HERE SOON....
tR:oLl tR:oLl tR:oLl tR:oLl tR:oLl tR:oLl tR:oLl
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Doing soccer the other day and my partner was doing the coin toss. He asks the visiting team "Is my yellow card in my left or right pocket?"
Interesting way around the coin toss.
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Why not ask the visiting captain to choose a number between 3 and 5. If he/she does not choose 4, they lose the "toss".
Or any set of numbers with only one number between them.
My old gym teacher would hold a 1 or 2 behind his back so the non-calling person can see it. The other person then had to guess 1 or 2. This seems like a good way to do it.
Your method actually only has a 1/3 chance for success, which is worse odds than a coin flip.
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Your method actually only has a 1/3 chance for success, which is worse odds than a coin flip.
Bossman:
I disagree on your odds. If the captain is told to select a number between three and five, the only correct answer is four.
However, you may have a better solution to the problem.
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Bossman:
I disagree on your odds. If the captain is told to select a number between three and five, the only correct answer is four.
However, you may have a better solution to the problem.
Are we talking rational numbers or integers? :)
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My old gym teacher would hold a 1 or 2 behind his back so the non-calling person can see it. The other person then had to guess 1 or 2. This seems like a good way to do it.
Bossman -
I like! Kudo's to your old gym teacher!
Simple, effective, and fair! And, you don't even need a coin! ???
May not be as edge of the seat exciting as Rock Paper, Scissors; but, Im convinced and;
I'm switching to the "Old Gym Teacher Plan".
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Bossman:
I disagree on your odds. If the captain is told to select a number between three and five, the only correct answer is four.
However, you may have a better solution to the problem.
So you're getting them on semantics, I see.
"Pick a number between 3 and 5" implies that I can pick 3, 4, or 5. Two of those are wrong (2/3) and one is right (1/3). Unless you can literally pick any number, then your odds are much worse.
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Why not ask the visiting captain to choose a number between 3 and 5. If he/she does not choose 4, they lose the "toss".
Pi.
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Pi.
:-[ z^ White hat z^ :-[ :"Captains, I'm flat broke today and don't have a coin to flip. I'm going to ask you to see who can carry pi to the furtherest decimal. I'll get you started with 3. Visiting captain, what comes next??"
White hat should write on one of his palms : 3.14159265
If the captains are still accurate after the 8th decimal, a tie breaker could be : "Who can guess what Mr. Umpire's favorite snack is??"
sNiCkErS sNiCkErS sNiCkErS sNiCkErS
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So you're getting them on semantics, I see.
"Pick a number between 3 and 5" implies that I can pick 3, 4, or 5. Two of those are wrong (2/3) and one is right (1/3). Unless you can literally pick any number, then your odds are much worse.
No implication... 'Between' does not imply inclusion. We are actually testing their listening skills :)
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If forgetting a toss coin generates this much discussion, we have bigger problems than merely forgetting the toss coin. I mean, how often does this REALLY happen? ???
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If forgetting a toss coin generates this much discussion, we have bigger problems than merely forgetting the toss coin. I mean, how often does this REALLY happen? ???
I've seen it once in 25+ years.
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Back when Vegas still used silver dollars, I collected about $500 worth of coins. Always had one in my black card cover and several in the bag. I was the Line Judge, but carried a double hasp used for the clip and disc plus a dozen zip ties for chain repairs. The hasp had a spare whistle on one end.
I've come off the field many times with one or two ties left, the whistle in someone else's hands, the hasp on the clip and my silver dollar in the White Hat's pocket.
Maybe I need better friends to play with.
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Pi.
Well played, VA, well played. aWaRd