On a somewhat related note, does anyone who wears a patent leather belt have a good source for for purchasing one that isn't terribly thick? Not taking about the width of the belt, but the actual thickness. I like the patent leather look, but all of the ones I have seen/purchased so far seem to be unusually thick. I have a nice old regular leather belt (from Honig's, I think) which takes a good shine, but is starting to show some cracks...