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National Federation Discussion / Re: Interesting play from this past weekend - Illegal kicking during free kick down.

« Last post by Ralph Damren on September 01, 2026, 12:16:41 PM »

Things that help to remember....

(1) A kick is a kick UNTIL it goes OOB or possession is gained.

(2) A kick is dead once it goes into'out of EZ =TB.

(3) No PSK enforcement on free kicks.

(4) RED SOX FOR AL FLAG 

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Interesting play from this past weekend - Illegal kicking during free kick down.

« Last post by Steely Dan on September 01, 2026, 10:53:50 AM »

K's choice are 1) Decline w/ R 1/10 @ R20 - or - 2) Accept w/ a re-kick from the 50


4-2-2-d-1 - The kick never ended so the ball was dead when it broke the plane of the R goal line.

2-13-4-a - The result of the play is a touchback because even though an illegal kick might provide a new force in some situations it doesn't here because force is not a factor on a kick that goes into the R end zone and the result is always a touchback

10-4-2-b - If accepted the penalty can only be enforced at the previous spot

Nicely done sir.  That's what we came up with as well.   

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Free Kick situation

« Last post by ElvisLives on August 31, 2026, 10:51:19 PM »

Result of the play is a safety as B99's kick of a loose ball adds new impetus.

For penalty enforcement: 10-2-4-4-a

This was a free kick, not a scrimmage kick, so PSK does not apply.
Team B foul, so the only option is enforcement at the previous spot.

If penalty was accepted
Illegal kick enforced 10 yards from the previous spot.
Kickoff A-45 free kick timings.


If penalty is declined
Team A is awarded 2 points.
Free kick after a safety B-20  free kick timings.

Yeah, previous spot penalty enforcement, or safety. That would be regardless if the ball was moving or at rest when the ball was illegally kicked.
The Illegally Kicking of the Ball by a defending team player does not change its status (still a scrimmage kick), but it does provide the impetus on the ball that becomes dead in the defending team’s possession (due to Team A’s scrimmage kick going out of bounds) behind the defending team’s goal. The natural result of the down is a safety - 2-points for Team A. If Team A elects, instead, they, may have the 10-yard penalty for Illegally Kicking of the Ball enforced at the previous spot and the kickoff repeated.
I posted this, because the same scenario seems to yield different results in another set of rules (as seen on a different forum on this site), and I just wanted folks operating under NCAA to know the rulings for NCAA.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Free Kick situation

« Last post by Imperial Stout on August 31, 2026, 09:36:21 PM »

Result of the play is a safety as B99's kick of a loose ball adds new impetus.

For penalty enforcement: 10-2-4-4-a

This was a free kick, not a scrimmage kick, so PSK does not apply.
Team B foul, so the only option is enforcement at the previous spot.

If penalty was accepted
Illegal kick enforced 10 yards from the previous spot.
Kickoff A-45 free kick timings.


If penalty is declined
Team A is awarded 2 points.
Free kick after a safety B-20  free kick timings.

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NCAA Discussion / Free Kick situation

« Last post by ElvisLives on August 31, 2026, 04:17:34 PM »

Kickoff, A-35, 4:00 (3), A=10, B=14. From the legal kickoff, the untouched ball is rolling at the B-2. To prevent A88 from recovering the ball, B99 kicks the ball, which travels through B’s end zone and goes out of bounds beyond the end line.

Ruling:

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As a ‘what if,’ would it make a difference if the ball came to complete rest before it was kicked by B99?

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Interesting play from this past weekend - Illegal kicking during free kick down.

« Last post by sj on August 31, 2026, 03:31:23 PM »

K's choice are 1) Decline w/ R 1/10 @ R20 - or - 2) Accept w/ a re-kick from the 50


4-2-2-d-1 - The kick never ended so the ball was dead when it broke the plane of the R goal line.

2-13-4-a - The result of the play is a touchback because even though an illegal kick might provide a new force in some situations it doesn't here because force is not a factor on a kick that goes into the R end zone and the result is always a touchback

10-4-2-b - If accepted the penalty can only be enforced at the previous spot

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National Federation Discussion / Clarity on 6/8 man field.....

« Last post by Ralph Damren on August 31, 2026, 02:16:11 PM »

It was brought to my attention that the hash mark to sideline measure differs from the print to the digital rule book. The correct measure is 45' aslisted in the print and not the 48'4" as stated in the digital. I advised the NFHS and it will be corrected. Any time there is a conflict between the two sources, go with the paper version.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Rule 8 Editorial Changes

« Last post by lawdog on August 31, 2026, 01:21:58 PM »

Wow, you're a bit lost.  The revised rule and the revised guidance are CRYSTAL CLEAR on this.  The succeeding spot, potentially being the 1st play in the extra period, does not "go away" until the current play has ended. That's 100% clear and playing wordsmith here IMHO is VERY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.

I'm far from lost or misguided and I know full well the fiction the Editorial Committee wants you to operate on.   Its created by very non-productive wordsmithing in fact. But it is based on a false premise you can't seem to grasp.  OT is not automatically there like you seem to believe.  So you can carry it over to something that doesn't exist but it ONLY starts to exist if the score becomes tied with zeroes on the clock which hasn't happened obviously before the try.
 
It seems like a simple enough concept even for you to grasp.  But alas, apparently not.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Roughing The Holder

« Last post by NVFOA_Ump on August 31, 2026, 11:04:01 AM »

If the player who hit the holder was the player who touched/tipped/blocked the kick then he is not guilty of roughing.  If the player who "roughed" the holder missed the ball and then the ball was later tipped at the LOS or behind/beyond then IMHO you could still have a roughing penalty.

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National Federation Discussion / Roughing The Holder

« Last post by theride on August 31, 2026, 09:55:38 AM »

Can you still have roughing the holder if the try for point by kick gets tipped?