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General Discussion / President's Day trivia......

« Last post by Ralph Damren on February 16, 2026, 07:30:25 AM »

Things to keep your brain active until the snow melts.....

(1) Who was the tallest president ?

(2) Who was the shortest president ?

(3) Who was the fatest president ?

(4) What was Harry Truman's middle name ?

(5) Who were the two vice presidents born in Maine ?

(6) What state were the most presidents born in ?

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NCAA Discussion / Re: foul in EZ after interception

« Last post by sj on February 16, 2026, 06:42:04 AM »

The difference between the two plays is where the change of possession took place. If the result of the play is a touchback and the change of possession takes place in the end zone, the basic spot is the B20. So in the AR you'd enforce it from the B20 w/ B 1/10 @ B30. (10-2-2-d-2-a)

In the play you brought up the result of the play is a touchback but the change of possession took place in the field of play so the basic spot is the goal line. So B's choices would be to accept w/ B 1/10 @ B10 or decline and take the result of the play w/ B 1/10 @ B20. So the choice becomes obvious. (10-2-2-d-2-b)

Also, I've attached something that can help when working these 10-2-2-d-2 plays. It's a way to work them that attempts to cut through the rule book language but still get to the correct ruling. It's been vetted pretty well, but if anyone can find anything with it where it doesn't get you to the right ruling let me know.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: foul in EZ after interception

« Last post by dammitbobby on February 15, 2026, 11:08:13 PM »

One more tonight that is not clicking for me.

 3/5 @ B-20. B44 intercepts a forward pass at the B-3 and his momentum carries him into his end zone. While still in the end zone, he fumbles the ball. The balls rolls forward into the field of play, and in the scramble, A33 intentionally kicks the ball from the B-4 into the end zone and over the end line.

Quiz Answer:
B 1/10 @B-20

My answer:
The natural result of the play is a touchback. While B caused the ball to be in the end zone initially, momentum is off, because the ball did not remain in the end zone. Team A's illegal kicking does not change the status of the loose ball; it's still treated as a loose ball/fumble. Kicking a loose ball not in player possession expends initial impetus and creates new responsibility (8-7-2-b), so Team A is responsible for the ball being beyond the end line. The penalty for illegal kicking is enforced 10 yards from the succeeding spot , which is the touchback spot, the B-20. B 1/10 @B-30.

There is also an AR that appears to cover this exact situation, which also has the ball belonging to B at the 30 (8-6-1-III)

III.   Third and five at the B-20. Defensive back B44 intercepts a forward pass in his end zone. While still in the end zone he fumbles the ball. It rolls forward, goes into the field of play, and in the scramble A33 kicks the ball into the end zone and over the end line. RULING: First and 10 for Team B at the B-30. The result of the play is a touchback, and therefore the basic spot for enforcement of the 10-yard penalty for illegally kicking the ball is the B-20. The touchback results because of the new impetus given by A33 kicking the ball. (Rules 2-16-1-a, 8-7-1, 10-2-2-d-2(a)

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NCAA Discussion / Re: foul in EZ after interception

« Last post by ElvisLives on February 15, 2026, 07:34:16 PM »

That makes sense.

I was getting hung up on the 'succeeding spot' verbiage in the rule and interpreting that a little too literally.

Well, the B-20 IS, indeed, the succeeding spot. But, for penalty enforcement purposes, in this case, the succeeding spot is also the Basic Spot, and that is what we’re looking for in 10-2-2-d (“The following are basic spots for the various categories of plays:”)

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NCAA Discussion / Re: foul in EZ after interception

« Last post by dammitbobby on February 15, 2026, 06:50:59 PM »

That makes sense.

I was getting hung up on the 'succeeding spot' verbiage in the rule and interpreting that a little too literally.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: foul in EZ after interception

« Last post by ElvisLives on February 15, 2026, 05:10:40 PM »

My answer: The result of the play is a touchback, with a foul committed by B in the end zone. By rule (10-2-2-2a), this foul is enforced from the succeeding spot (the touchback spot, or the 20) and will be half the distance to the goal line, B 1/10 @B-10, snap. Since this is a touchback, B will have the option to select hash location if they choose to do so.

10-2-2-2a verbiage:
2.  Running plays when the run ends in the end zone after change of team possession (not on a try). (requirement met)
(a) Succeeding spot, when a foul occurs after a change of team possession (requirement met) in the end zone and the result of the play is a touchback. (requirement met)

What am I missing/not understanding about this rule/play?

You misunderstand in thinking that the penalty is enforced from the succeeding spot. Yes, the result is a touchback, but the succeeding spot is the BASIC SPOT, not the automatic enforcement spot. From the BS, you apply the 3 & 1 principle, and fouls by the team in possession behind the BS during the run are enforced from the spot of the foul. If the spot of the foul is in the end zone, the result is a safety.

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NCAA Discussion / foul in EZ after interception

« Last post by dammitbobby on February 15, 2026, 04:04:11 PM »

I'm working to write out answers/rationale/rules citations for every quiz I take, and I am need some clarity with one answer.

2/Goal @ B-3. B40 intercepts a pass in his own end zone and attempts to return the ball but does not get out of his end zone and is downed. B30 blocks A12 below the waist in the end zone after the interception.

Quiz correct answer: Safety, two points for Team A.


My answer: The result of the play is a touchback, with a foul committed by B in the end zone. By rule (10-2-2-2a), this foul is enforced from the succeeding spot (the touchback spot, or the 20) and will be half the distance to the goal line, B 1/10 @B-10, snap. Since this is a touchback, B will have the option to select hash location if they choose to do so.

10-2-2-2a verbiage:
2.  Running plays when the run ends in the end zone after change of team possession (not on a try). (requirement met)
(a) Succeeding spot, when a foul occurs after a change of team possession (requirement met) in the end zone and the result of the play is a touchback. (requirement met)

What am I missing/not understanding about this rule/play?

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National Federation Discussion / Re: SANTA'S WISH LIST....2026 version

« Last post by ncwingman on February 14, 2026, 12:03:37 PM »

Well, we don't have 3k a game like the power 4 conferences. We don't even make $300 a game, so yes, people take it as a hobby, but that doesn't mean that we don't try to be our best at it.

We barely make $100 a game... but we're getting a raise next year (allegedly) that I think will take us all the way up to $109.

I'm certainly not doing it for the money, but my fall hobby makes enough to cover my spring hobby expenses.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Question - late in the day

« Last post by ElvisLives on February 13, 2026, 03:28:28 PM »

1) A 4/9 @ B49. The punt bounces at the B3 and is over the end zone at position 5, when A20 bats the ball back into the field of play where A40 ends the play by picking it up at the B4 yard line. Coach B requests that the ball be placed at position 1 for their first snap.
I have no direct rule support, but I would allow B to choose the lateral position, if done before the RFP sigal.

Technically I suppose, since it's illegal touching they wouldn't get the choice. However, since the bat in 6-3-11 situations essentially prevents what would be a touchback and B did something illegal to prevent that from happening, I'd agree that it would be all right to let them choose. I've just never had this one asked before so thought I'd bring it up.

 

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Question - late in the day

« Last post by sj on February 13, 2026, 02:48:29 PM »

1) A 4/9 @ B49. The punt bounces at the B3 and is over the end zone at position 5, when A20 bats the ball back into the field of play where A40 ends the play by picking it up at the B4 yard line. Coach B requests that the ball be placed at position 1 for their first snap.
I have no direct rule support, but I would allow B to choose the lateral position, if done before the RFP sigal.

Technically I suppose, since it's illegal touching they wouldn't get the choice. However, since the bat in 6-3-11 situations essentially prevents what would be a touchback and B did something illegal to prevent that from happening, I'd agree that it would be all right to let them choose. I've just never had this one asked before so thought I'd bring it up.