Extracurricular

[backjudge85]

  So now this is a problem because the officials allowed the coach to wander out to the middle of the field instead of walking him back to the sideline for any discussion.  That was kind of my issue.  We allowed (invited) him out to the middle of the field to be part of a discussion.  If this is not a flag on the sideline -- it should not be a flag in the middle of the field on a coach -- so long as he did not curse, says something personal, or show up the officials -- which I do not think he was doing -- then I am not sure we can put a flag down there.

Who invited him out onto the field?  Correct, the officials allowed it and that was their first mistake.  They should have IMMEDIATELY walked him back off the field. PERIOD.  There was no reason for him to be out there.  He was showing up the officials because he was HACKED that his player was ejected.  For one, I would have never allowed the coach onto the field, and for an act like that, as a fellow official of mine once told a coach " I will flag you all the way back to the bus"   

[blindref757]

I guarantee you THAT was not the reason for no flag.  The blue team has not had a BIG playoff game in decades and likely will not have one in the forseeable future.  The crew can be rightfully questioned for the lack of the flag but when it comes to why they did not, their integrity is the last thing you should question.

My comment wasn't directed toward this crew...just disappointed in the overall system we have here. 

[Welpe]

My comment wasn't directed toward this crew...just disappointed in the overall system we have here.

I agree. It is a systemic issue.

[centexsports]

I am probably too tolerant of bad coaches on Friday night but I think I would have handled this differently.

1) The discussion and decision should have only included the officials.   The coach should have been escorted to the sideline and informed that we would get back to him.   If he comes back out, sideline warning.
2) If after the sideline warning, he then throws his headset down at my feet, USC.
3) If he talks to me leaving the field, no problem but he will have to run after my fat butt as I go to the dressing room.   But if he catches me and puts his finger in my face as in the video, USC and 15 on the 2nd half kickoff.   Plus a verbal commitment to him that any further harassment  to me or my crew will be met with an immediate flag (no tolerance) for the remainder of the game.
 

[JasonTX]

I am probably too tolerant of bad coaches on Friday night but I think I would have handled this differently.

1) ...  If he comes back out, sideline warning.
2) If after the sideline warning, he then throws his headset down at my feet, USC.

 

What is a sideline warning?

[centexsports]

It is a mistake.   My way of saying, get off the field coach before you get an USC.


Also to TXMIKE's comment about the referee's lack of input on the games score.   From rule book.

Winning Team and Final Score
ARTICLE 3. a. The teams shall be awarded points for scoring according to rule
and, unless the game is forfeited, the team having the larger score at the end of
the game shall be the winning team.
b. When the referee declares that the game is ended, the score is final.

[TXMike]

It says the points are awarded "according to rule" so if the rules do not permit 1 point then it is not 1  point, regardless of what the scoreboard operator chooses to put up there.  If there is a 1 point safety  on a PAT attempt but the operator puts 2 points up there, it is still only 1 point.

[Arbitrator]

 

If the Lanier Head Coach gets his check cashed and is summoned to appear before the UIL Executive Council, as in years past, he reportedly will be asked these loaded questions by that panel:

1) Isn't the football field supposed to be an extension of your high school classroom?

2) Would you behave in this very same way if guests were invited into your classroom? Would you exhibit that type of behavior in front of your kids, their parents, your principal, or your superintendent?

3) What is the positive learning experience for your players, as well as those from the opposing team, from your actions that night? What can they take away from that episode of yours that is of a positive nature to both them and to the community in which they live?

More often than not, they either cannot intelligibly reply or there is an aura of absolute silence and stupor on their part! 

Which usually occurs just prior to their being put on probation for a year or two, and their name posted in The Leaguer for all to gawk at! 

[Timmultisport]

One way to fix childish coach behavior is the assigning system. Houston TASO has NFL quality guys, have them  assign. Sounds ridiculous, but the crew wants games so they don't even flag the doofus. Let each coach scratch one crew, then let assigners handle the rest. "Yeah, but this is how it has always been done!"Well, coaches are in education, so that should tell you all you need to know about that system, and I am a teacher.
    While I am ranting, get rid of the get back coach. Here is how to do it. Start taking time-outs away. I worked a chain recently, and it is easier to get through GCS (Grand Central Station) at rush hour than to move up and down a sideline in the 2nd half.Take away a second half time-out and watch how far back the players get.For most coaches its time-outs, God,  then family.

[Arbitrator]

    While I am ranting, get rid of the get back coach. Here is how to do it. Start taking time-outs away. I worked a chain recently, and it is easier to get through GCS (Grand Central Station) at rush hour than to move up and down a sideline in the 2nd half.Take away a second half time-out and watch how far back the players get.For most coaches its time-outs, God,  then family.

 

The sad thing is that when a vast majority of coaches have been reminded about the death of the San Antonio coach a few years back after having collided with an official on the field, they just kind of stare at you in disbelief, or comeback with the sophomoric response, "Oh that will never happen to me, I'll always stay out of your way!"

And then when you wingman runs over them in the white and subsequently flags them for sideline interference, they get royally chapped whenever I have to go have a sideline conference with them seeing that they are steaming mad because of their self-justifying rationale that some lazy wing official ran over them in the white, which they truly believe is preeminently their territory and safe haven, including that area all the way out to the numbers!

Granted, the smarter coaches and better coached teams are rarely ever the problem here. It's primarily those ya-hoos who think that they have an automatic exemption from the rules. I think that the better remedy for that would be for the UIL to review all film footage to see if coaches are not properly adhering to sideline decorum, and if not, suspend the HC for a game or two to help insure that he gets "his ship in order" for the forthcoming weeks.

But alas,    Manor Road  would never ever dream of doing that! 

[Arbitrator]

The sad thing is that when a vast majority of coaches have been reminded about the death of the San Antonio coach a few years back after having collided with an official on the field, they just kind of stare at you in disbelief, or comeback with the sophomoric response, "Oh that will never happen to me, I'll always stay out of your way!"

And then when you wingman runs over them in the white and subsequently flags them for sideline interference, they get royally chapped whenever I have to go have a sideline conference with them seeing that they are steaming mad because of their self-justifying rationale that some lazy wing official ran over them in the white, which they truly believe is preeminently their territory and safe haven, including that area all the way out to the numbers!

Granted, the smarter coaches and better coached teams are rarely ever the problem here. It's primarily those ya-hoos who think that they have an automatic exemption from the rules. I think that the better remedy for that would be for the UIL to review all film footage to see if coaches are not properly adhering to sideline decorum, and if not, suspend the HC for a game or two to help insure that he gets "his ship in order" for the forthcoming weeks.

But alas, those poor overworked, underpaid, malnourished Doctors of   Manor Road  would never ever dream of doing that! 

[TXMike]

One thing the UIL has repeatedly said about this and which I agree with....we (football officials) have the tools to deal with this, so deal with it.  We don't need to turn to them (UIL) for things that the rules already cover.  Flag 'em and do the Incident report if it rises to that level.  I really think if the UIL got material on the same guy time after time, they would do something. 

[JasonTX]

Wonder how the NFL handles it.  It's very rare to see a coach in the white.  I'm guessing they probably receive some small fine each time they violate.

[Rulesman]

Wonder how the NFL handles it.  It's very rare to see a coach in the white.  I'm guessing they probably receive some small fine each time they violate.

For the most part, NFL coaches act like grown men. I'll leave it at that.

[NorCalMike]

In my section of California it took us three years but we have made such good progress keeping the coaches out of the white, I have actually congratulated each coach this year. This took a concerted effort by all of our officials. We started telling the coaches during the pregame that we will be strictly enforcing the restricted area rule and any contact no matter how slight will be enforced. Then during each game we would flag the coach for a sideline warning early if warranted.

First year was tough. Lots of sideline warnings. Last year was better. This year my crew has had 2 sideline warning all season.

This year after direction from the section commissioner, we began working on coaches coming on the field between plays. We were told to have a zero tolerance policy with this Coaches can only come of the field for authorized conferences.  Again, being consistent in the enforcement has done wonders to get the coaches to stick to the policy. This is key.

[bama_stripes]

Again, being consistent in the enforcement has done wonders to get the coaches to stick to the policy. This is key.

Animal Training 101.

[NorCalMike]

 

Animal Training 101.

Exactly and it works.

[Etref]

  Exactly and it works.

Every time it is tried!!!! It ain't Chinese Algebra, very easy in fact. Tell them your expectations and then if they do not follow, drop a flag. They will get with the program.