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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: Pyester on September 18, 2012, 04:54:30 PM

Title: 2 live ball fouls following change of possession
Post by: Pyester on September 18, 2012, 04:54:30 PM
Situation:

A15 passes from behind line of scrimmage. B30 intercepts and returns for a touchdown. During the runback there are 2 blocks-in-the-back - one by each team - B first followed by A. Both blocks take place before the touchdown. Ruling?

We allowed the interception and walked off both fouls - B first and then A.
Title: Re: 2 live ball fouls following change of possession
Post by: Ump33 on September 18, 2012, 05:28:48 PM
Situation:

A15 passes from behind line of scrimmage. B30 intercepts and returns for a touchdown. During the runback there are 2 blocks-in-the-back - one by each team - B first followed by A. Both blocks take place before the touchdown. Ruling?

We allowed the interception and walked off both fouls - B first and then A.

Since B got the ball with "clean hands", they can keep the ball if they Decline A's foul. Then Team can accept Team B's foul ... B's ball 1st and 10 at the ##
 
10-2-2 . . . If each team fouls during a down in which there is a change of team possession and the play does not have a post-scrimmage kick foul, the team last gaining possession may retain the ball, provided:

a. the foul by the team last gaining possession is not prior to the final change of possession, and

b. the team last gaining possession declines the penalty for its opponent’s foul(s), other than a nonplayer or unsportsmanlike foul. In this case, the team that was not last in possession has no penalty options until the team last in possession has made its penalty decision on the fouls prior to the change of possession. After that decision by the team last in possession, the team not last in possession may decline or accept the penalty by the team last in possession or choose which foul to have enforced in the case that the team last in possession committed more than one foul following the change.
Title: Re: 2 live ball fouls following change of possession
Post by: FBUmp on September 18, 2012, 07:12:53 PM
I can't think of any situation where you would ever assess two live ball fouls on one play.
Title: Re: 2 live ball fouls following change of possession
Post by: maven on September 18, 2012, 07:26:31 PM
If B accepts the penalty for A's foul, no need to ask A: it's a double foul, replay the down (that is, A's ball again). 10-2-1c

This is HIGHLY unlikely. ;)
Title: Re: 2 live ball fouls following change of possession
Post by: InsideTheStripes on September 19, 2012, 02:05:59 AM
Block in the back by B?!?!?  That must have been one hell of a 'block'.
Title: Re: 2 live ball fouls following change of possession
Post by: Pyester on September 20, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
It was a real block in the back by B - first contact was from behind between the shoulder blades. The A player went down forwards.
Title: Re: 2 live ball fouls following change of possession
Post by: Rulesman on September 20, 2012, 01:02:47 PM
The A player went down forwards.
How a player falls does not necessarily equate to how he was blocked.