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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: Football101 on November 08, 2023, 02:19:43 PM

Title: You make the Call !!
Post by: Football101 on November 08, 2023, 02:19:43 PM
So this team uses this play to draw off the Defense, If the defense does not jump then they run a wedge play. What's your call
Here is the clip

https://www.hudl.com/video/2/18503/654bc7c79680a60a9837a2c1

Legal
Encroachment
False Start
or any thing else

If illegal please provide rule reference
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: Ralph Damren on November 08, 2023, 03:05:00 PM
I'll vote for false start : 7-1-7a & b.
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: ElvisLives on November 08, 2023, 03:30:12 PM
I'll vote for false start : 7-1-7a & b.

Ralph, do you have language like, "...simulating the start of the play...", or something like that? If so, what do they call that, if it doesn't simulate the start of a play?
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: CalhounLJ on November 08, 2023, 04:29:54 PM
False start. Simulating action at the snap. The main selling point is all the backfield players charging forward. They can shift to a forward position, but must do so in a way that doesn't simulate action at the snap. This shift does.
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: SCline on November 08, 2023, 08:12:30 PM
False start
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: Ralph Damren on November 09, 2023, 05:34:58 AM
IMHO, false start is sorta' like porn  >:D ,when you see it you'll know it  ^flag.
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: bama_stripes on November 09, 2023, 06:39:33 AM
 ^flag
On the field, I’d probably announce this as a snap infraction.  And I can’t believe that officials are letting them get away with that.
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: Fatso on November 09, 2023, 07:10:42 AM
False Start    ^flag
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: Ralph Damren on November 09, 2023, 07:55:24 AM
^flag
On the field, I’d probably announce this as a snap infraction.  And I can’t believe that officials are letting them get away with that.
Or....."FALSE START BY EVERYONE BUT THE SNAPPER  :)"...
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: ElvisLives on November 09, 2023, 07:58:37 AM
IMHO, false start is sorta' like porn  >:D ,when you see it you'll know it  ^flag.

Hmmm. I guess I’ve never seen it. (OK, porn or false start? You choose.) ;D
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: bossman72 on November 09, 2023, 09:02:54 AM
False start, no brainer.
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: ncwingman on November 09, 2023, 10:02:55 AM
Anybody who doesn't say false start doesn't understand that rule. Holy crap.

That's like textbook definition of 'simulating the snap'
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: Football101 on November 09, 2023, 10:59:09 AM
Thanks for the comments. False Start is what i had also!!
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: KWH on November 09, 2023, 11:19:50 AM
I'll vote for false start : 7-1-7a & b.

 :thumbup
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: KWH on November 09, 2023, 11:21:00 AM
Anybody who doesn't say false start doesn't understand that rule. Holy crap.

That's like textbook definition of 'simulating the snap'

 :thumbup

I will only add the NFHS wants this ruled a False Start regardless of whether or not the defense is drawn into the neutral zone.
Source Casebook 7.1.7 SITUATION A and 7.1.7 SITUATION B
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on November 09, 2023, 01:37:30 PM
:thumbup

I will only add the NFHS wants this ruled a False Start regardless of whether or not the defense is drawn into the neutral zone.
Source Casebook 7.1.7 SITUATION A and 7.1.7 SITUATION B


 :thumbup
Title: Re: You make the Call !!
Post by: Rob S on November 22, 2023, 08:46:07 PM
I've called this type of action a False Start twice this year. The first was third and short near the goal line. The most recent on the first offensive play for one team (started inside their own 10) during a semi-final game last week. Both times coaches lost it saying it was just a shift but also admitted they were trying to get the defense to jump. And of course they didn't bring it up when asked if they had any unusual plays in the pregame.