Legal or Illegal kick ?

[clyde]

FG blocked. Ball stayed behind LOS. Kicker kicked it again and it went through the uprights.

https://twitter.com/tluathletics/status/909242408881270785

[ElvisLives]

While it is perfectly legal to attempt multiple legal scrimmage kicks on the same play, until a legal kick officially crosses the NZ, the second kick was not a legal kick.   This was illegally kicking a loose ball.  That's a 10 yard penalty plus loss of down.  This is basic spot enforcement, and, since the spot of the foul is behind the basic spot (the previous spot), the penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul.
If this was fourth down, Team B is awarded a first down where the penalty leaves the ball.  If this was a Try, the try is over.

Robert

[bctgp]

Illegal kick since the second kick was not a "legal" field goal place kick.

[clyde]

Am I correct that had the kicker picked up the ball i.e. secured it and then drop kicked it that it would be legal and they would have gotten the 3 points?

[JasonTX]

Am I correct that had the kicker picked up the ball i.e. secured it and then drop kicked it that it would be legal and they would have gotten the 3 points?

A drop kick is when the team A player drops the ball and kicks it simultaneously to it touching the ground.  As mentioned what happened in this play is not a drop kick.  But yes, if he would have executed a legal drop kick it would be 3 points.

[clyde]

A drop kick is when the team A player drops the ball and kicks it simultaneously to it touching the ground.  As mentioned what happened in this play is not a drop kick.  But yes, if he would have executed a legal drop kick it would be 3 points.

I realize it wasn't a drop kick. I'm asking if 3 points would have been awarded had he a)picked up the blocked kick and b)executed a legal drop kick .

[Aussie-Zebra]

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[ljudge]

Neither (not being snarky).  He's illegally kicked the ball (different than an illegal kick).  Rule 9-4-4.  A player cannot kick a loose ball. 

[dvasques]

For me that's clearly illegally kicking a lose ball. But then, the crew considered the kick good and someone wrote this
https://sports.yahoo.com/texas-lutheran-kicker-makes-field-goal-second-try-first-blocked-030309172.html
'The kick was a legal field goal because Hopkins kicked it off a bounce. According to the NCAA rule book, “any free kick or scrimmage kick continues to be a kick until it is caught
or recovered by a player or becomes dead.” The kick was never recovered by anyone.
Also according to the rule book, “it is a legal kick if it is made by Team A —  in or behind the neutral zone during a scrimmage down before team possession changes.” Possession never changed and the kick was made behind the neutral zone.
After officials conferred, Hopkins’ kick was declared good and officially recorded as an 18-yard attempt.'

Still, unless I read from Shaw, that's a foul in my opinion

[ElvisLives]

Wow.  Amazing how people selectively choose the rules they want to support their position, and don't know the truly applicable rule.
Check 9-4-4.  Yes, the status of the ball is still a kick.  But the ball is now loose (not in player possession).  No loose ball may be kicked.  Period.
Someone may attempt to argue that the ball is loose when dropped by a kicker to make a drop kick or punt.  Wrong.  By rule (2-4-1-b-1) the ball is still considered in possession when it is dropped for a drop kick or a punt.  Once the ball is kicked, or strikes the ground and bounces up or away, it is no longer in player possession, and is loose (a kick in the case of a legal punt, place kick or drop kick, or a fumble otherwise). 
No, it can't be considered a drop kick, because, by rule (2-16-3), the ball must be kicked as it strikes the ground.  Any appreciable 'bounce' of the ball before it is kicked makes the ball loose.
Kicking a loose ball is illegally kicking the ball.  Period.
If the crew ruled this to be a successful field goal attempt, unfortunately, they committed a "catastophic error." 

Robert

[NVFOA_Ump]

Takes more than 1 rule reference in rule 2 but this one is simply an illegal kick:

Rule 2 - Definitions:

SECTION 16. Kicks; Kicking the Ball
Kicking the Ball; Legal and Illegal Kicks
ARTICLE 1. a. Kicking the ball is intentionally striking the ball with the knee, lower leg or foot.
b. A legal kick is a punt, drop kick or place kick made according to the rules by a player of Team A before a change of team possession. Kicking the ball in any other manner is illegal (A.R. 6-1-2-I).
c. Any free kick or scrimmage kick continues to be a kick until it is caught or recovered by a player or becomes dead.
d. When in question, a ball is accidentally touched rather than kicked.
Punt
ARTICLE 2. A punt is a kick by a player who drops the ball and kicks it before it touches the ground.
Drop Kick
ARTICLE 3. A drop kick is a kick by a player who drops the ball and kicks it as it touches the ground.
Place Kick
ARTICLE 4. a. A field goal place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession while the ball is controlled on the ground by a teammate. (Rule 2-16-9)
b. A free kick place kick is a kick by a player of the team in possession while the ball is positioned on a tee or the ground. It may be controlled by a
teammate. The ball may be positioned on the ground and contacting the tee.
c. A tee is a device that elevates the ball for kicking purposes. It may not elevate the ball’s lowest point more than one inch above the ground (A.R. 2-16-4-I).
d. No device or material may be used to mark the spot of a scrimmage place kick or to elevate the ball. This is a live-ball foul at the snap. (Rule 6-3-
10-d)
Field Goal Attempt
ARTICLE 9. A field goal attempt is a scrimmage kick. It may be a place kick or drop kick.

As frequently happens, the key language in determining foul or no foul here traces back to Rule 2 definitions.

[Morningrise]

Clearly a foul, guys. You can't kick a loose ball, period.

Interesting wrinkle: This foul occurred at the B-8. It would be ten yards from the spot of the foul - not the previous spot, even though the flag is behind there - and loss of down. B's ball at the B-18.

B should decline this penalty.

The result of the play is an unsuccessful field goal. The scrimmage kick - i.e. the first kicking action, when the ball status changed from "possession" to "kick" - touched the ground and then touched a Team A player for good measure. Therefore it scores no points even if it goes through the uprights. Team B should decline the penalty and take the ball at the B-20 following the unsuccessful field goal. Better field position by two yards this way.

[Sonofanump]

Neither (not being snarky).  He's illegally kicked the ball (different than an illegal kick).  Rule 9-4-4.  A player cannot kick a loose ball.

I believe this was on the CFO test to make sure we understand the difference between an illegal kick (remember this causes the ball to become dead and is enforced 5 yards from the previous spot, LOD) and illegally kicking the ball (10 yards, LOD). 

[Kalle]

Clearly a foul, guys. You can't kick a loose ball, period.

Interesting wrinkle: This foul occurred at the B-8. It would be ten yards from the spot of the foul - not the previous spot, even though the flag is behind there - and loss of down. B's ball at the B-18.

B should decline this penalty.

Does B have the rule 6-3-13 option?

[Legacy Zebra]

No. Field goal attempts are specifically excluded from 6-3-13. 

[ljudge]

Takes more than 1 rule reference in rule 2 but this one is simply an illegal kick:

No.  It's illegally kicking the ball.  There IS a difference.

[NVFOA_Ump]

No.  It's illegally kicking the ball.  There IS a difference.

Another case of we're never to old to learn.   

[Aussie-Zebra]

No.  It's illegally kicking the ball.  There IS a difference.

Mike Pereira incorrectly called in an illegal kick too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XCuYLc2Og4