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Offline zebraken

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Fair Catch Protection
« on: October 18, 2015, 08:59:02 AM »
R is in position to make a fair catch and gives a valid signal. He lets the ball bounce and then is contacted by K while the ball is still rolling. Do we have any foul at all? What would the foul be if there is one? When does R protection end?

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Re: Fair Catch Protection
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2015, 09:31:21 AM »
No foul (assuming contact by K was not a personal foul).  Protection ends when the ball hits the ground. Protection also ends if the kick is muffed.  Note that the receiver who signaled for the FC cannot block until the kick ends.

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Re: Fair Catch Protection
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2015, 01:21:05 PM »
No foul (assuming contact by K was not a personal foul).  Protection ends when the ball hits the ground. Protection also ends if the kick is muffed.  Note that the receiver who signaled for the FC cannot block until the kick ends.
Effectively the receiver who gives a valid signal can't block - period. Isn't the ball dead when the kick ends after a valid signal has been given by any receiver (2-24)?
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Re: Fair Catch Protection
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2015, 02:45:49 PM »
Effectively the receiver who gives a valid signal can't block - period.

This is true.

Isn't the ball dead when the kick ends after a valid signal has been given by any receiver (2-24)?

The "ball (does) become dead when the kick ends" - whether any R player catches or recovers it, (after any signal, valid or not), or it is recovered by K, or it is blown dead by the officials.

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Re: Fair Catch Protection
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2015, 11:55:34 AM »
Effectively the receiver who gives a valid signal can't block - period. Isn't the ball dead when the kick ends after a valid signal has been given by any receiver (2-24)?

One very unlikely scenario that would allow the signaling receiver to block during the down would be for the ball to bounce back behind the LOS and be recovered by K. That would end the kick but continue the down. But agree that 99.9% of the time the fair catch signaling receiver is going to be prohibited from ever blocking

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Re: Fair Catch Protection
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2015, 12:39:24 PM »
One very unlikely scenario that would allow the signaling receiver to block during the down would be for the ball to bounce back behind the LOS and be recovered by K. That would end the kick but continue the down. But agree that 99.9% of the time the fair catch signaling receiver is going to be prohibited from ever blocking

But in that case he would be "B" (a tackler) not "R" (a blocker) tiphat:

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Re: Fair Catch Protection
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2015, 01:33:44 PM »
But in that case he would be "B" (a tackler) not "R" (a blocker) tiphat:
OK K recovers behind the line then fumbles and R recovers and advances.  I'm pretty sure this scenario doesn't kill the play when R possesses the ball

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Re: Fair Catch Protection
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2015, 04:53:38 PM »
OK K recovers behind the line then fumbles and R recovers and advances.  I'm pretty sure this scenario doesn't kill the play when R possesses the ball

Sorry, mis-read your post.  We agree: the play is not "killed" - but the kick ended with K's possession.  6-5-1 prohibits a receiver from "blocking until the kick has ended"; so R may advance or block in your play