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Offline Ralph Damren

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Santa's Wish List..........
« on: December 10, 2014, 09:49:24 AM »
Which of the following would be on your wish list yEs: ^flag ^talk :thumbup.....

 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field.
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls.
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch.
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.
 (5) No more FBZ.
 (6) Let players hurdle.
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run.
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap.
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock.
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series.
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball.
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player.
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A.
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun.
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG.
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP.
(16)No more 5 yd facemask.
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel.
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS. 

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 10:05:42 AM »
(1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. - Not sure what this means!
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls. - Sure
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch. - No, no, a thousand times no
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC. - NO, NO, NO
 (5) No more FBZ. - This one needs more discussion, it's not a yes/no issue
 (6) Let players hurdle. - NO!
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run. - No
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap. - Yes!
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock. - No, administrative nightmare
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series. - Sure
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball. - Yes, and change time from RFP to "time of kick"
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player. - NO, and very hard to officiate.
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot - Sure, but add encroachment by K as a live ball foul with same enforcement
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A - NO!.
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun. - OK.
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG. - NO!
(15) 5 yd facemask on RTP. - ??
(16)No more 5 yd facemask. - Maybe
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel. - Yes
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS.  -Yes

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 10:18:37 AM »
I can see 11(a) happening soon, and then coaches can use the "who is kicking the ball?" trick again -- excepting the 5 yard deep rule, of course. I can see #17 and #18 happening as well, I don't know how quickly though.

However, #17 gets a lot of play on test questions and discussions, but how many times has "offsetting" DB PFs occured inside the 15* where you'd have to make a decision on which to enforce first? This doesn't count cases where it's obvious which foul occurs first (i.e., a late hit followed by a retaliation punch), but just two players wrestling after the whistle and they both take it too far.

*Between the 30 and the 15, you can be "lazy" and enforce away from the goal first, and everything cancels -- starting inside the 15, one of the enforcements must be half the distance. Not saying that's right, but you can do it.

If we do state DBPFs offset, will there be a provision for odd numbers of penalties? If A gets 2 and B gets 1, do we still enforce one on A or does everything offset?

In either case, if the penalties do cancel out, can we at least eliminate the Umpire Shuffle where he gets to mark off 15 yards, then mark off 15 yards back to where he started? Do we want to make sure he earns those  sNiCkErS?

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 10:24:53 AM »
Which of the following would be on your wish list yEs: ^flag ^talk :thumbup.....

 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field.
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls.  OK
(3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch.
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.
 (5) No more FBZ. OK
 (6) Let players hurdle.
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run.
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap.
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock.
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series. OK
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball.  Ok & what AB said
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player.
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot  OK & what AB said
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A.
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun.
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG.
(15) 5 yd facemask on RTP.
(16)No more 5 yd facemask.
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel.  OK
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS.  OK


No, Don't understand or don't care on the others.

I would like to add (19).  Define an airborne player's in bounds - out of bounds status to be the same as where he last touched the ground.

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2014, 10:41:11 AM »
Thanks, guys, for your input. #1 = officials have authority to flag until they have left the field. #5 = blocks now legal in FBZ would be illegal everywhere. #15 = a 5 yd FM wouldn't qualify as RTP . #17 = dueling DB PF/USC fouls would cancel on a foul per foul basis..IE... 2 DB fouls on A & 1 DB foul on B = 15 yard penalty on A.

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2014, 10:58:23 AM »
 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. - No - let the state handle stuff that happens after we raise the football
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls. - No real opinion
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch.No real opinion
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.only if said foul occurs in team box
 (5) No more FBZ.Yes
 (6) Let players hurdle.No
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run.no
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap.Yes
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock.Only if someone's going to replace the 25 second Ready Ref I bought this year :)
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series.Yes
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball.God, yes - and change to the time of the kick
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player.Not easy to enforce with a 5 man crew - No
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spotYes
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A.No
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun.No strong opinion either way
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG.No, no, no, no
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP. No
(16)No more 5 yd facemask. No
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel.Yes, as long as it's foul for foul, not "A committed 1 and B committed 4 for they all offset"
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS.  Yes

If you ask me what I'd like to see most, it's 5 and 11A by far, followed by 18.

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2014, 11:40:01 AM »
 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. Meaning an official can throw a flag after the conclusion of the game?  I'm afraid that if we're given this power, somebody will use it!  As VALJ said, leave it to the state.
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls. Sure.
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch. No.
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC. I don't like this, even on the sideline.
 (5) No more FBZ. I would like to see clipping removed.  Other than that, I have no strong opinion.
 (6) Let players hurdle. NO.
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run. I would be alright with this but it's not on my 'wish list'
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap. This would be nice.  It takes away us needing to try and guess as to whether or not there was any intent to unfairly burn time.  Just make it automatic.
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock. I would love to see this.  I think it would be hard to implement.
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series. Again, not a wish list item but I would support this.
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball. Just change the timing to being at the time of the kick.  Then we don't have to babysit.
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player.No.  I think this would limit a team's ability to be creative.  And as others have said, enforcing this with 5 would be difficult.
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot I would support this.
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A. NO NO NO.  We'd just be BEGGING for them to run 'hideout' plays.
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun. Yes.  If they're spiking just let them spike however they're comfortable.
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG. No.  Leave it alone.
(15) 5 yd facemask on RTP. I believe that a 5yd FM should not be RTP
(16)No more 5 yd facemask. No.  I like having a lesser enforcement option available for lesser infractions.
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel. Yes, foul for foul.  Ejections if applicable are not cancelled.
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS.  Please Please Please.


If I had to pick one only, I'd go for 18 since this can have the greatest impact.  Followed by 11A because I don't like babysitting but I'll do it if the committee spends their time on more meaningful topics.

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2014, 12:53:55 PM »

 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. - - - ?
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls. - - - OK.  Haven't seen anything else used.
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch. - - - Yes, safety issue.
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC. - - - No.  If we don't know who said it, we can't toss the HC (for a 2nd violation)
 (5) No more FBZ. - - - Yes, another safety issue.
 (6) Let players hurdle. - - - No.
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run. ??
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap. - - - Yes
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock. - - -No.
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series. - - - Yes
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball. - - - Yes
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player. - - -No
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot - - - Yes
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A. - - - No.  Don't reward a team for perfecting the sideline hideout play
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun. - - - Yes
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG. - - - No
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP. - - - Yes
(16)No more 5 yd facemask. - - - No
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel. - - - Yes
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS.   - - - No


My number one wish for HS football for 2015 and beyond: At least 6 officials, preferably 7, for every varsity contest.

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2014, 01:48:09 PM »
Which of the following would be on your wish list yEs: ^flag ^talk :thumbup.....

 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. No - unless there is a "rule misapplication issue"
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls. No (what's wrong with Ball Dry?)
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch. No - then it would be a "fair recovery"
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC. No
 (5) No more FBZ. No - close line play is, IMHO, not a problem
 (6) Let players hurdle. Yes
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run. No
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap. Yes
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock. Would be nice; but would be too expensive to install more clocks
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series. Yes
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball. Yes
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player. No
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot Yes (and I'd extend that to any kick - not just free kicks)
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A. No
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun. Yes
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG. Yes
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP. Yes
(16)No more 5 yd facemask. Yes
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel. Yes
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS. Yes 

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2014, 01:54:05 PM »
(1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. There has been one time where I would have loved to call an USC and eject a coach after a game, but generally no to this.
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls. Yes
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch. No
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.Yes if it comes from the Sideline
 (5) No more FBZ. NO
 (6) Let players hurdle.No
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run. No
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap.Yes
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock.No
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series.Yes
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball.Yes
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player.No, too much of a nit pick to administer
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spotabsolutely, along with encroachment on a kick not being a dead ball foul
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A.makes no difference to me
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun.yes
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG.NO NO
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP.Yes
(16)No more 5 yd facemask.No
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel.As most have said as long as 1 vs 3 doesn't cancel out
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS. No 
« Last Edit: December 10, 2014, 01:56:16 PM by riffraft »

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2014, 02:20:08 PM »
(1) Flags aren't deactivated until  are off the field.          Fine- I could have flagged the #@$%$ #60 who said “F U ref” one time as I passed through his sideline on the way to the car!

(2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls.   These days I’m lucky if the ball boys have a towel.  Whatever.

(3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch.  Nah

(4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.  Sure- some of our old hands think that is what the rule is anyway, kinda like a bench technical.

(5) No more FBZ.  ONLY IF illegal blocks are going to be illegal everywhere on the field.  No funny stuff with this one.

(6) Let players hurdle.  Sure

(7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run.  Yep

(8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap. OK

(9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock.  Wow, I’d say yes except we’re fortunate to have the 25 sec clock run correctly in a varsity game.  JV’s and MS, we rarely use a visible play clock.

(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series.  OK

(11) Free kick stuff :
(a) change kicker to ball.  For the love of all that is holy, YES
(b) need 3 yards between each K player.  They going to give out some laser measuring device for the WH to use??  $#@% NO
(c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot OK
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A.  NOPE, hello sleeper play again.
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun.  OK
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG.   Throwing a lot at the WH’s ain’t ya?  Nah
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP.  Creeping into the dreaded exception land.  OK
(16)No more 5 yd facemask.  OK
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel.  Yes
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS.  OK

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2014, 03:17:01 PM »
(1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field.
--No, just report the incident to the commissioner

 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls.
--Indifferent

 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch.
--Eh.  Mainly indifferent, but I can see the NFHS screwing this up somehow.

 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.
--That's ok.

 (5) No more FBZ.
--NO!!!  LONG LIVE THE FBZ!!!  Honestly, I'll be extremely angry if this goes away.  One of the rules NFHS has right over the other levels of football.

 (6) Let players hurdle.
--I'm ok with this.  Most guys don't call it anyway (same classification as assisting the runner).

 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run.
--Are you saying the bean bag doesn't matter?  It's not broke.  Don't fix it!

 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap.
--YES!  I like it.  Much better than leaving it up to the R.

 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock.
--I like the 40 sec clock better than the 25.  However, I don't think we could administrate this effectively at the HS level.  Too many scenarios where there are 40/25 and many many opportunities for officials to screw it up.  25 is simple and perfect for high school ball and below.  HOWEVER, it could speed up the game.  Once the ball is set, we can wind the clock and not have to worry about "hurrying" the offensive team and getting a possible DOG.

(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series.
--ok

(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball.
--YES
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player.
--NO!  That will be impossible to officiate.
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot
--I like it!  However, this would violate the All but one.

(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A.
--NO!  This helps prevent the hideout play.

(13) Can spike pass from shotgun.
--Yes

(14) Tackle-box rule for IG.
--NO!  I like the high school rule.

(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP.
--I would love to just eliminate 5 yd facemasks.

(16)No more 5 yd facemask.
--Ditto

(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel.
--I think I wrote up a proposal on this forum last offseason in the thread we had discussing it.  That's what I would like to see happen.

(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS. 
--Violates all but one... if they are ok with doing away with that, then I'm in favor.  However, I can see them screwing it up.  I can see NFHS making them all fouls by the offense being from the previous spot, which would not be good.  If they do the HIPI fouls (holding, illegal blocks, personal fouls, illegal use of hands) only, then we are ok.  They would then have to classify all rule 9 fouls as personal fouls to eliminate confusion (eg:  chop block).

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2014, 03:31:13 PM »
Ok, for (17) I dug it up:

ART 1: Dead ball fouls are enforced separately and in the order of occurrence. 
(a) When there are 15 yard dead ball fouls (or live ball treated as dead ball fouls) committed by each team, and before the Referee's announcement for these fouls has started, each 15 yard foul for one team will cancel a 15 foul for the other team.  Any remaining 15 yard fouls will be enforced.
(b) 5 and 10 yard fouls are still enforced separately and in the order of occurrence and would never cancel with a 15 yard foul.

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2014, 03:34:37 PM »
Ok, for (17) I dug it up:

ART 1: Dead ball fouls are enforced separately and in the order of occurrence. 
(a) When there are 15 yard dead ball fouls (or live ball treated as dead ball fouls) committed by each team, and before the Referee's announcement for these fouls has started, each 15 yard foul for one team will cancel a 15 foul for the other team.  Any remaining 15 yard fouls will be enforced.
(b) 5 and 10 yard fouls are still enforced separately and in the order of occurrence and would never cancel with a 15 yard foul.
(c) All other provisions for any dead ball fouls that cancel, such as ejections, will still be assessed.

Fixed it for you.  :)

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2014, 05:02:44 PM »
I would be happy with the offsetting dead ball fouls and getting back the auto 1st on DPI.  I think 18 would be a positive change as well.

I'm surprised there hasn't been a suggestion to make all personal fouls auto 1st like NCAA - there is no shortage of coaches who think that is already the case.
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2014, 05:23:02 PM »
As a newer official, I can go either way on some of these...

Which of the following would be on your wish list yEs: ^flag ^talk :thumbup.....

 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field.
----No real opinion, hasn't been necessary for me.
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls.
----No real opinion, hasn't been necessary for me.
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch.
----No.
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.
----No.
 (5) No more FBZ.
----YES. Makes it easier to officiate consistently and also removes unnecessary horrific injury risk.
 (6) Let players hurdle.
----NO.
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run.
----NO.
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap.
----No.
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock.
----NO.
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series.
----Sure.
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball.
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player.
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot
----Yes to all except (b).
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A.
----No.
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun.
----Yes.
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG.
----No.
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP.
----N/A...
(16)No more 5 yd facemask.
----Yes.
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel.
----Yes.
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS. 
----YES.


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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
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Which of the following would be on your wish list yEs: ^flag ^talk :thumbup.....

 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field...............No
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls..................Yes
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch...............Yes
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.....................Yes
 (5) No more FBZ.............Yes
 (6) Let players hurdle..................No
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run.............Yes
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap................Yes
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock....................Yes
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series....................Yes
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball...............No
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player...............No
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot.....................Yes
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A...................No
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun..................Yes
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG..................No
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP...........................Yes
(16)No more 5 yd facemask..........................Yes
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel...........................Yes
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS......................Yes 

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2014, 08:16:02 AM »
Ok, for (17) I dug it up:

ART 1: Dead ball fouls are enforced separately and in the order of occurrence. 
(a) When there are 15 yard dead ball fouls (or live ball treated as dead ball fouls) committed by each team, and before the Referee's announcement for these fouls has started, each 15 yard foul for one team will cancel a 15 foul for the other team.  Any remaining 15 yard fouls will be enforced.
(b) 5 and 10 yard fouls are still enforced separately and in the order of occurrence and would never cancel with a 15 yard foul.
I used your proposal, Bossman, as my submission for the proposed rule change with the following alteration : ".....and before the referee's announcement...." was replaced with : "...and before the ready for play...". Your verbage reflected the NCAA's ,which is to prevent someone getting a late "free-be" as under their code ALL would cancel regardless of number on each team. Thanks for the help on this.

VALJ - Good point on adding art. 3. I didn't feel it was necessary, as you currently have offsetting live ball fouls that would result in ejections, but would certainly be willing to amend my proposal if other committee members felt it would improve it's chance of passing.

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2014, 09:19:44 AM »
No. 15 was addressed by NFHS:INTERPRETATION 2 (Rule 9-4-4): The incidental grasping of the face mask, any edge of the helmet opening, chin strap, or a tooth and mouth protector attached to the face mask (5-yard penalty) will be excluded from the list of fouls in Rule 9-4-3 now considered as Roughing the Passer in Rule 9-4-4. The grasping and twisting, turning or pulling the face mask, any edge of the helmet opening, chin strap, or a tooth and mouth protector attached to the face mask (15-yard penalty) will remain as a part of Rule 9-4-4 and enforced as Roughing the Passer, 15-yard penalty plus an automatic first down.

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2014, 09:26:04 AM »
Good point, sir55, some of these proposed changes are to give rule book support for interpretations. Another example is # 1 would give support to Case 1.1.8C.

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2014, 01:48:03 PM »
(1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. No
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls. Yes
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch. No
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC. No
 (5) No more FBZ Yes
 (6) Let players hurdle. No
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run. No
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap. Yes
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock. No
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series. Yes
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball. Yes
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player. No
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot Yes
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A. No
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun. Yes
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG. No
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP. Yes
(16)No more 5 yd facemask. No
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel. yes
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS. Yes

Also, Please return the automatic first down to DPI!!! 
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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2014, 02:44:04 PM »
(1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. NO
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls.  NO
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch.  NO
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC.  YES. And maybe consider treating it as we do in basketball (direct/indirect) USC
 (5) No more FBZ.  NO
 (6) Let players hurdle.  NO OPINION
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run.  NO OPINION
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap.  YES
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock.  NO
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series.  NO
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball.  YES
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player.  NO
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot  YES
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A.  NO
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun.  YES, so long as it is immediate
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG.  YES
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP.  NO
(16) No more 5 yd facemask.  YES
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel.  YES
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS. YES, except safety if foul is in EZ

Please also consider the length of games. Would be in favor of starting the game clock on RFP on runs that end OOB, except in the last 2 minutes of each half.

Would also like to see auto 1st down restored for DPI, but honestly feel the chances of that are slim and none.
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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2014, 11:09:13 PM »
Which of the following would be on your wish list yEs: ^flag ^talk :thumbup .....

 (1) Flags aren't deactivated until z^ are off the field. - No. Report to Admin. Ball held up z^ are done
 (2) Can't use stuff (other than towels) to dry balls. - no preference
 (3) "High bouncer" free kick =airborne kick = possible fair catch. - No. Once grounded it's grounded.
 (4) USC on unknown player charged to HC. - Actually I am against this. I find that penalizing the players sends a stronger message. Players know when they screwed up.
 (5) No more FBZ. - I am indifferent here. While in interest of player safety I say yes, I think it goes against a lot of what football is about.
 (6) Let players hurdle. - HELL NO. See Steelers v Browns...
 (7) Falling on a loose ball = end of run. - No. Seems like a fundamental change to definition of 'possession'.
 (8) DB foul by A when leading in last 2 min. = on snap. - No preference.
 (9) Go to NCAA 40 sec play clock. - While I think it could be done, I'm not sure it'll have the desired effect on the game.
(10) Can correct goofed up chains anytime during series. - You can't now? Define 'goofed up'?
(11) Free kick stuff :
     (a) change kicker to ball. - YES PLEASE!
     (b) need 3 yards between each K player. - No. Hard enough to get them to stand w/in 5 yards.
     (c) illegal formation on kick = re-kick or succeeding spot - Yes. If effort is to reduce FK
(12) Delete 9 yd mark rule for A. - No. Seems like obvious advantage for A here...
(13) Can spike pass from shotgun. - Why not? If it's a direct snap to QB who throws it immediately to ground who cares about under center?
(14) Tackle-box rule for IG. - no. Personally think it's unbalanced in NCAA and NFL how they let QB get away with it. Throw the ball don't penalize the defense for making a great play.
(15) 5 yd facemask on passer = no RTP. - yes.
(16)No more 5 yd facemask. - If the same action now = 15 the no. If action goes away entirely then yes.
(17) Dueling DB PF/USC fouls cancel. - No. Enforce em all
(18) Previous spot if A fouls behind LOS.  - indifferent



Ralph thanks for seeking input. Glad to know someone takes input from the peons of the world.

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Re: Santa's Wish List..........
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2014, 07:28:48 AM »
FYI - Seems many / most of us would like the auto. 1st down put back in on DPI. That change is not on this year's lineup. It was last year and failed to come out of committee as several noted the response on the questionnaire was that it was a positive change (of course the change was wrapped around taking LOD out of OPI, also). IMHO, it will probably remain dormant until it "hurts someone" - is the deciding factor in a championship game or such.

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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2014, 07:54:10 AM »
... failed to come out of committee as several noted the response on the questionnaire was that it was a positive change (of course the change was wrapped around taking LOD out of OPI, also).
Would be interesting to know which segment of the respondents felt the change was "positive." My guess is coaches, not officials.
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