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General Discussion / Re: Coach arrested after altercation
« Last post by JasonTX on Today at 08:52:30 PM »
Remember, if you are ejecting someone for coming on to the field during a fight, you ought to have thrown a flag for fighting.  Our crew got taken to the woodshed several years ago for ejecting a player for coming off the bench for a fight but no one flagged the fight.

I don't disagree with putting a flag down but every official throwing flags seems like overkill.  It looks like every official tossed every flag they had.  I've seen flags end up missing in situations like this. 
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Dew-Rags
« Last post by BIG DON on Today at 08:51:21 PM »
one of the biggest things I am seeing this year are schools that have order pants that look like bicycle shorts in the past and not any money to replace them this year,  they come out during pregame with knees uncovered, While talking to the coaches I am doing a quick scan and give the coaches the numbers of players that the pants need to be addressed, been told the last two weeks that they will have their players ready by game time.  Now when we are on the field we give a complete list of numbers to coaches of players that need to be address and remind them they have signed a card saying all of their players are legally equipped, I how ever begin to think that coaches think that Cast are the only concern in legally equipped.  even during are pregame meeting I go over what we are looking for. 
In the last two weeks for the first part of the 1st quarter I have ran players off the field for knees not covered because of the high water pants,  I have seen them pulled down and taped in place to keep them from riding up.  The rib pads on the back we just tell them to get them covered and this is taking care of without delay of the play clock.  Play cards are now not a problem over the last couple of years we got for the most part those cards taken care of and worn on the wrist where they belong.

Now I have quite a collection of the rubber live strong type bracelets these are just as bad a the high waters it seems no matter how much I preach to coaches and players they constantly come on the field with them.  I try to have a meeting with teams in the Area before season and go over the rule changes and what is expected of players and what and how to wear uniforms might as well be talking to a wall on some issues
   
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Dew-Rags
« Last post by scrounge on Today at 08:28:07 PM »
It is a 15 yard USC penalty assessed against the HC if called. This is illegal equipment, not improperly worn equipment. There is a difference in the enforcement. Illegal equipment is still an USC foul against the HC.

It's not illegal to have the bandana, it just can't be poking out from the helmet. So I'd say it is indeed just improperly worn equipment. And even if not? Just send the player off unless you think the coach is trying to pull a fast one. You'll be on the fast track to "That Guy" if you hit them for 15 for this.
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Texas Topics / Re: Coin Toss - don't let captain screw up
« Last post by JasonTX on Today at 07:53:51 PM »
Had a coin toss and the winner said kick.  I repeated the question and he was adamant that his coach wanted them to kick.  So, I turn the other other team to see which end they wanted to receive the ball on and then I immediately went to the coach to let him know his captain just shafted his team and that they would be kicking to start both halves.  He said that is exactly what he wanted.  "We want to set the tone of both halves with our defense." 
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General Discussion / Re: Coach arrested after altercation
« Last post by js in sc on Today at 07:53:43 PM »
Remember, if you are ejecting someone for coming on to the field during a fight, you ought to have thrown a flag for fighting.  Our crew got taken to the woodshed several years ago for ejecting a player for coming off the bench for a fight but no one flagged the fight.
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General Discussion / Re: Coach arrested after altercation
« Last post by JasonTX on Today at 07:46:23 PM »
Do all those flags really need to be thrown?  Just stand back and be a witness and write numbers down.  No need for 10 flags to be tossed.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Arkansas needs some lessons in fair catch signals
« Last post by OSU65 on Today at 05:19:11 PM »
Larry Brown Sports on the N Texas play.

Here’s why the play should not be allowed.

Punt returns and kick returns are among the most dangerous plays in football. Players are running at full speed and collisions happen at all angles, which can potentially result in severe injuries. Football rules have evolved to try and make these plays more safe. On punt returns, returners are allowed to signal for a fair catch, which prevents them from advancing the ball, but more importantly, prevents them from being hit.

Players on the punt coverage teams — the gunners — are instructed not to hit a player who has called for a fair catch to avoid being penalized. If there is any doubt about whether a returner called for fair catch, these players are operating on good faith by not hitting the returner. That good faith should not be abused and taken advantage of in the way North Texas did.

If there is ever confusion about whether a fair catch was called, you want players erring on the side of caution and player safety by showing restraint and not hitting a vulnerable punt returner. By allowing teams to toy with this good faith through fakes, you are incentivizing punt coverage teams to hit the punt returner in cases of doubt. This could also lead to retribution hits as well. These types of hits could lead to serious injuries, which is what the sport is trying to eliminate.

This sort of play should never have been conceived, practiced, or used by North Texas, and it shouldn’t be allowed. The referees on the field should not have allowed it. The NCAA needs to step up immediately and ban the play if they care about player safety as much as they claim to.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Arkansas needs some lessons in fair catch signals
« Last post by OSU65 on Today at 05:05:40 PM »
Regarding the fair catch rule.

The issue is that no one wants a player to get hurt during a fair catch. Reading all of the comments by the experienced officials on this board it is obvious that the fair catch signal is subject to a lot of interpretation, although by the letter of the "law" it is pretty specific.
A previous post pointed out that the gunners may or may not see the signal. In addition, the receiver might try to pull a trick play by putting his arms in the wave off position, but not waving them. Players are ask to run at full speed and then determine if the receivers arm was above the shoulders, was it waving, was the receiver just shading his eyes, were both arms down pointing at the ball, but not waving, etc. 

It seems like a very simple fix would avoid all of this confusion. Since an official will be making the ultimate decision regarding the signal why not have an approved signal that the official can make if in his opinion he saw a fair catch signal. There are signals for touchdowns, incomplete passes, etc, etc. How difficult would it be to simply have an official signal that the official has determined that a fair catch signal has been made. I'm not sure what it would be but the folks that make the rules ought to be able to figure one out. This would eliminate a lot of confusion about it being a valid signal, the gunners not seeing the signal, etc.

I guess one could make the point that if it isn't broken, don't fix it, but when experienced officials have such a wide range of opinions on a call it is obvious to me that something needs to be done to standardize the rule interpretation. If one coach see ways to legally game the system other coaches will catch on and come up with other ingenious ways to do the same. As Barney Fife used to say when seeing a potential problem, "nip it, nip it in the bud".



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Texas Topics / Re: Center moving after addressing ball
« Last post by centexsports on Today at 03:22:54 PM »
I had to crop significantly but I have been wanting to post this somewhere.   1926 or 1927 Midland High School football team.   With the mention of leather helmets, I thought, now is the time.  Oh yeah, my grandfather was on the team.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Dew-Rags
« Last post by AlUpstateNY on Today at 03:07:38 PM »
It is a 15 yard USC penalty assessed against the HC if called. This is illegal equipment, not improperly worn equipment. There is a difference in the enforcement. Illegal equipment is still an USC foul against the HC.

NFHS:9-8-1-h; Following pregame verification as in 1-5-4, a coach allowing a player to use illegal equipment, is an USC penalty against the HC.

Detecting, and preventing, such illegal/improper legal equipment prior to it being actually used, is the best means of preventing it from violating
9-8-1-h.
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