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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: azsteam on January 05, 2012, 03:17:56 PM
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I'm asking for some help with a new project that I have been assign. I have been asked to come up with a quiz of 50 multiple-choice questions to give to our area's coaches.
Thanks for you help.
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3 big ones come right to mind:
1 - on kicks/punts: center is protected from any and all contact.
2 - "he was out of the pocket"
3 - that personal fouls DONT carry an auto 1/10.
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Horesecollar
5 vs. 15 Facemask. When in doubt 15.
Can't get back on an encroachment foul by D.
Offensive Facemask
Low blocking in general
Facepaint, armband, mouthpiece colors
Field markings (some schools have trouble with this)
Fair catch signal
Fumbles forward and on 4th down
What can be done with the ball by a holder
No tackle eligible
free kick out of bounds
Illegal formations and getting players inside the numbers
Restricted Area
Clipping vs. BiB
I think those are enough to keep you busy
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"Dey broke duh huddle wif tway-ulv, dey broke duh huddle wif tway-ulv"
I'd just start with the Federation test and then give them their score immediately afterwards.
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Breaking the huddle with 12 (although I know officials that believe this one as well)
Pass was uncatchable
Throwing the ball away from outside the pocket
(For that matter, almost any NCAA/FED rule difference)
False start/encroachment on a kickoff
PSK
KCI vs awarded fair catch
Numbering exception on kicking plays
What's legal on onside kicks (again, an NCAA/FED difference)
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The ball goes back to where it was snapped on missed FG attempts outside the 20. Had a coach lose his mind this year when we called it a TB and put his ball on the 20.
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Basic spot enforcement on fouls by the offense that occur behind the LOS on passing (loose ball) plays.
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Basic spot enforcement on fouls by the offense that occur behind the LOS on passing (loose ball) plays.
Even worse, enforcement for this same foul on running plays!
And fouls by the defense behind the LOS on running plays.
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"Dey broke duh huddle wif tway-ulv, dey broke duh huddle wif tway-ulv"
I'd just start with the Federation test and then give them their score immediately afterwards.
Yeah, I would add this to my top 3 to make top 4.
You know, it may be best to do a "top 10" or so & just go over things, instead of doing a test that they don't want to take anyway and/or will maybe get 'shown up' as a result.
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As an umpire, let me ask that you include low blocks, particularly talking about the free blocking zone and how there are two requirements - the zone itself AND the ball being in the zone. Speak to the shotgun, the pistol, hand to hand snaps and quick pitches to a deep I-back and how each impacts the rule.
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As an umpire, let me ask that you include low blocks, particularly talking about the free blocking zone and how there are two requirements - the zone itself AND the ball being in the zone. Speak to the shotgun, the pistol, hand to hand snaps and quick pitches to a deep I-back and how each impacts the rule.
'Morning, Bus! We might also want to ask them if they know what this is: sNiCkErS
(Sorry, couldn't resist).
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Umpire food!
But actually, I am partial to Little Debbie's Zebra Cakes.
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Little Debbie's: must be a Southerner. (heck I'm from TN so I can speak from expertise)
Preference here is for the Swiss Cake Rolls (which I call 'swirlys')
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Before I gave up sugar, I always loved Little Debbies, especially the Christmas Tree Cakes during the holidays. I still drool when I see them in the store.
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Any rule/case book play that has the words "except" or "exception" in them.
I'm compiling a list right now of every time these words appear in the Rule Book. It's "scary"... :o
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Any rule/case book play that has the words "except" or "exception" in them.
I'm compiling a list right now of every time these words appear in the Rule Book. It's "scary"... :o
If you think the Fed rules containing "except" or "exception" are scary, you will croak at the NCAA book. The words "except" or "exception" appear 182 times. Granted, some of those are in indexes, but still...
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Little Debbie's: must be a Southerner. (heck I'm from TN so I can speak from expertise)
Preference here is for the Swiss Cake Rolls (which I call 'swirlys')
As an Umpire who moved from Georgia to New York City, my biggest challenges were USC's for language (is the f'word a verb or an adjective here?) and I had to learn what Yodels were.
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Like you never heard that in Georgia? Must not of worked Valdosta State.
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Like you never heard that in Georgia? Must not of worked Valdosta State.
Or Fort Valley State
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Or Fort Valley State
Or any City of Atlanta school.
In reality, almost any high school.
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I think most coaches only have problems understanding rules 1 thru 10.
This year we had a coach who could not understand that DPI was not a spot foul. He went nuts when we marked off 15 yards when the pass was 35 yards down field.
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"Rules that coaches misunderstand?"
All of them. ;)
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A "cut" block IS NOT a "chop" block!
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It's not a specific rule reference, but if possible you might want to try and explain that Officials are not "the enemy", that the main difference between a coaches perspective and an officials perspective is that, for the game to work, we MUST consider the interests of both teams equally.
Coaches and officials are different parts of the same effort to produce a successful game. As different as Sales and Human Resources, we each have different roles in reaching the same objective, sometimes we provide valuable assistance to each other, sometimes we may seem to step on each other's toes but our objectives should be parallel and point to a similar goal.
You might also remind your coaches audience, that whomever and wherever the notion started that screaming and publicly demeaning an official, will ultimately benefit your position has about as much chance of helping you as screaming and publicly demeaning your spouse, and very often produces the exact same results.
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You might also remind your coaches audience, that whomever and wherever the notion started that screaming and publicly demeaning an official, will ultimately benefit your position has about as much chance of helping you as screaming and publicly demeaning your spouse, and very often produces the exact same results.
Actually, it's the exact opposite. If I scream and demean an official, you can bet I'm going to get screwed.
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The late Abe Lemons might have said it best: "The problem with officials is they don't care who wins."
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Actually, it's the exact opposite. If I scream and demean an official, you can bet I'm going to get screwed.
Thread over. We have a winner. LOL
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Actually, it's the exact opposite. If I scream and demean an official, you can bet I'm going to get screwed.
Sometimes the meanings of, "getting screwed" and earning "just rewards" can intertwine to produce the same result. Like "beauty", it may all be, "in the eye of the beholder".
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Actually, it's the exact opposite. If I scream and demean an official, you can bet I'm going to get screwed.
That's not entirely accurate, at least where I'm concerned. You would most likely get the same treatment my wife gets.... ignored! Therefore I would be unreceptive and unknowing to actual legitimate dialogue.
As for demeaning comments, the result would actually affect the team location on the field and possibly the coach location in the stadium.
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Substitutions
- 12 men in huddle
- IS vs IP fouls
Auto First Down and Loss of Down fouls
- all personal fouls are not auto first downs
Pass Interference
- incidental contact
- face guarding
Blocking Below the Waist
- who can and when
- who cannot
Contact at or beyond the LOS by defenders on eligible receivers
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Any rule/case book play that has the words "except" or "exception" in them.
I'm compiling a list right now of every time these words appear in the Rule Book. It's "scary"... :o
REPLY: While you're at it, don't forget other words that conote an exception ("other than...", "unless...", etc.). Also, don't forget those clandestine exceptions like PSK. That's an exception to loose ball play enforcement, but the Fed would never admit it. I did an analysis of exceptions a few seasons ago. Here's what I found:
The popular myth is that the NCAA rules are fraught with exceptions and the Federation book is free from them. While admittedly there are more exceptions in the NCAA rules, the difference is not as extreme as some might think, especially when considering that the NCAA rule book is 36,223 words long, and the Federation rule book is only 30,646. Hence, the NCAA rule book, beginning with Rule 1 through the end of Rule 10, is 18.1% longer than the Federation rule book. But I believe it’s more a question of the difference in style used by the two editors. Not every exception is expressed using the word “Exception:” There are several different constructs used by the respective editors to specify an exception. Just as a means of comparison, here’s that difference expressed in the number of times an exception construct is used:
Use of the construct:
"Exception:".......Federation: 10.......NCAA: 91 (the biggest disparity, the one most people consider, and the one that propels the myth)
“except for/when”...........Federation: 20.......NCAA: 25
“other than”......Federation: 45.......NCAA: 38
“unless”...........Federation: 65.......NCAA: 35
Generally, the NCAA editor uses the explicit word “exception” where the Federation editor will use one of the other ‘softer’ constructs to specify what’s still in fact an exception to the general rule. Here’s the difference in style illustrated using the definition of blocking in the back as an example.
Federation:
Blocking in the back is a block against an opponent when the initial contact is in the opponent’s back, inside the shoulders and below the helmet and above the waist, and not against a player who is a runner or pretending to be a runner.
NCAA:
A block in the back is contact against an opponent occurring when the force of the initial contact is from behind and above the waist (Exception: Against the ball carrier).
Notice that the NCAA editor uses an explicit “Exception:” in his definition, while the Fed editor avoids it by using a different construct. Is this any less an exception in the Federation book because the word “exception” is missing? Of course not. Both codes ‘except’ contact with the ball carrier from the definition.
Is there any question that the NCAA book is more complex? No...just look at its length. No question it's a more complicated code, but not solely because of its ‘exceptions.’ Surprisingly, proportional to their respective lengths, there are 4.5 exceptions per 1000 words in the Federation book and only 5.2 exceptions per 1000 words in the NCAA book. So it’s really not as extreme as some might think.
(And who says I don't have too much time on my hands!)
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You have too much time on your hands! But you know something... what you've uncovered is REALLY interesting.
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The late Abe Lemons might have said it best: "The problem with officials is they don't care who wins."
That sums up the feelings quite well, afterall, what other job can one have where you're 100% wrong 50% of the time. Someone doesn't like every call we make.
IMO, most coaches don't understand Federation penalties with regard to OPI. They want just 5 and LOD, and they'll complain about that. It may be 5 if you're playing on Sunday, but when you tell them it's 15 AND a LOD, it's histrionic city. One of of the IC's stated it simply, it's the equivalent of the death penalty.
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i think one that not not only coaches but officials do not have a full comprehension of is, what constitutes 'force'. that being said,how many different examples of force can we come up with. who wants to start?