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ljudge:
I saw a well-written online test question today involving fouls by both teams, ILT, and a score.  They say crazy things can happen on kick plays and might be an interesting conversation on the field.

4/10 @ B-40. A3’s long FG attempt is short. A40 touches the grounded kick at the B-6, and then B99 intentionally bats the ball forward at the B-2. A97 picks up the ball at the B-14 and carries it across the goal line. During A97’s run, A80 is flagged for holding at the B-12.

ElvisLives:
Firstly, the status of the ball is still a legal scrimmage kick, and the ball is loose from the kick and beyond the NZ. Secondly, as such, the ball is dead when it is recovered by A97. So, all we have to deal with is the illegal batting foul by B99. (A80's dead-ball holding foul is ignored, since it is neither a personal foul nor an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.) If Team A declines the penalty for the Illegal Batting, then Team B will get the ball at the spot of the Illegal Touching (B-6). So, they will obviously accept the penalty.
B99's batting of the ball means that the ball was touched by Team B beyond the NZ, which is governed by 8-4-2-b-2. The illegal batting foul qualifies for Post-Scrimmage Kick Enforcement, so the Basic Spot for the penalty is the end of the kick (B-14). The Spot of the Foul (B-2) is behind the Basic Spot, so the penalty will be enforced 1/2 the distance to the goal from the Spot of the Foul, taking the ball to the B-1, where Team B is awarded a scrimmage series, and will next snap the ball.
B, 1/10, B-1, snap (25).

During our next crew meeting, we would discuss making certain that we know the status of the ball before dropping a foul marker for a non-personal foul or non-unsportsmanlike conduct foul. Process the action, then determine if the flag is warranted or not.

bossman72:

--- Quote from: ElvisLives on February 16, 2025, 04:12:09 PM ---Firstly, the status of the ball is still a legal scrimmage kick, and the ball is loose from the kick and beyond the NZ. Secondly, as such, the ball is dead when it is recovered by A97. So, all we have to deal with is the illegal batting foul by B99. (A80's dead-ball holding foul is ignored, since it is neither a personal foul nor an unsportsmanlike conduct foul.) If Team A declines the penalty for the Illegal Batting, then Team B will get the ball at the spot of the Illegal Touching (B-6). So, they will obviously accept the penalty.
B99's batting of the ball means that the ball was touched by Team B beyond the NZ, which is governed by 8-4-2-b-2. The illegal batting foul qualifies for Post-Scrimmage Kick Enforcement, so the Basic Spot for the penalty is the end of the kick (B-14). The Spot of the Foul (B-2) is behind the Basic Spot, so the penalty will be enforced 1/2 the distance to the goal from the Spot of the Foul, taking the ball to the B-1, where Team B is awarded a scrimmage series, and will next snap the ball.
B, 1/10, B-1, snap (25).

During our next crew meeting, we would discuss making certain that we know the status of the ball before dropping a foul marker for a non-personal foul or non-unsportsmanlike conduct foul. Process the action, then determine if the flag is warranted or not.

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I don't have this as PSK since B will not be next to snap the ball.  A97 is in legal possession at the end of the down.  Batting enforced previous spot.  A 1/10 @ B30

ljudge:

--- Quote from: bossman72 on February 17, 2025, 12:32:18 AM ---I don't have this as PSK since B will not be next to snap the ball.  A97 is in legal possession at the end of the down.  Batting enforced previous spot.  A 1/10 @ B30

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TBH I struggled with the question.  A 1/10 at B30 was identified to be the correct answer for the test question.  Elvis nailed it on the ball becoming dead when A possessed so everything after that doesn't apply and since A in legal possession you cannot have PSK. 

ElvisLives:
I stand corrected. I need to remember that “next snap the ball” means as the natural result of the down, not after enforcement of any penalty.
So, yes, since PSK doesn’t apply, the Basic Spot is the Previous Spot, and the actual enforcement spot, with team A retaining the ball. The distance penalty results in a new series for Team A. Because of the legal kick down, the game clock starts on the snap, play clock is 25 following the penalty completion.
A, 1/10, B-30, snap (25).
Yeah, good discussion.

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