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Offline bbeagle

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Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« on: October 19, 2018, 09:43:58 AM »
I had this rare play for the first time ever last night:
4th and 8 from K2. Punter is lined up in the back of his endzone.

Punt is shanked, goes straight up in the air, takes what seems an eternity to come down, only 5 yards forward (ball never leaves the endzone). Ball comes down 3 yards deep in the endzone, caught by R55 in his scoring endzone. Touchdown.

Now, I was thinking... WHAT IF.... R55 signaled fair catch before he caught it.

Would there be a foul here or not?

1. Fair catches can only be caught from the NZ to the other EZ. Is it a penalty to do it behind the NZ or it just kills the play?

2.  If he's drilled after catching it, it's a late hit regardless of a fair catch, because the ball is dead anyways because of the touchdown.

Just thinking what ifs ... if this bizarre play ever happened again.

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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2018, 09:54:18 AM »
It’s not a fair catch because it’s not beyond the NZ. It’s not a foul because it’s not illegal to signal for a fair catch anywhere. There is no protection awarded R because it’s not a fair catch. It is a late hit because the ball became dead when possessed by R in the end zone. It is a td because of the same reason.
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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2018, 09:57:31 AM »
It's not a foul to signal for a fair catch and then not make a fair catch.

Now here's a fun twist -- what if R55 signals the fair catch, but then K88 catches the ball behind the NZ.... let him run?

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Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2018, 09:59:14 AM »
I think not. I think we toot the whistle and give the ball to R at the spot if the catch.
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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2018, 10:01:01 AM »
In this case I say yes. If K catches the ball we let him run with it.


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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2018, 11:06:57 AM »
You should let him run with it, but that situation is going to be ripe for an IW

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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2018, 11:54:21 AM »
You should let him run with it, but that situation is going to be ripe for an IW
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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2018, 12:27:58 PM »
You should let him run with it, but that situation is going to be ripe for an IW

Exactly.

After the defense caught the ball in K's endzone (never had that happen before).... It took me about 1 1/2 seconds to process it and make SURE it wasn't K that caught it, because K could advance. After I realized it was R,  ^good

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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2018, 12:36:53 PM »
It's not a foul to signal for a fair catch and then not make a fair catch.

Now here's a fun twist -- what if R55 signals the fair catch, but then K88 catches the ball behind the NZ.... let him run?

Sure, K can always (except during a try) advance a kick that is behind the NZ

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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2018, 11:01:52 PM »
Just nit-picking here, how could it be 4th and 8 from K2 yd line. That would mean the series started on the goal line???

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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2018, 07:59:48 PM »
Just nit-picking here, how could it be 4th and 8 from K2 yd line. That would mean the series started on the goal line???

Significant figures and rounding. If you're not yet on the 3, then you're still at the 2, even if the ball is on the "2 and a half" -- but you're past the two, so if the drive started on the 1, you have 8.5 yards to go, but not 9 (since you're past the 2), so it gets rounded to 8.


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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2018, 07:28:00 AM »
Just nit-picking here, how could it be 4th and 8 from K2 yd line. That would mean the series started on the goal line???

The previous drive before K got the ball ended on the 1/4 yard line where they went for it on 4th and goal and were stopped just short of the goal line.

I guess because of the length of the ball, the next drive started around the 1/2-3/4 yard line. I guess it really was 4th and 8 1/2 on the K2.

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Re: Fair catch in kicking team's end zone
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2018, 01:05:46 PM »
disregard