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Offline sirhoagy

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Forward pass, backward pass?
« on: May 02, 2019, 05:47:26 PM »
Snap to A5.  A5 throws the ball forward but defender B77 jumps up at the line of scrimmage and while airborne bat's the ball back Towards A1.  A1 leaps into the air and while airborne bats the ball down forward into the ground behind the line.

Ruling?

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2019, 05:51:53 PM »
I argue the pass is forward as a bat does not constitute a pass. Rule 10-4-2 has a penalty for batting  a backward pass in flight forward but this does not meet criteria for backward pass per 2-19-2.

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2019, 06:10:57 PM »
There is only one pass on this play and it is an incomplete forward pass by A5. The direction of a pass is determined by where it was released and the first thing it touches (ground, player, or official, etc.). 2-19-2-a. The first thing this passed touched was B77. Since that was beyond where the pass was released, it's a forward pass.

The batting is legal because any player who is eligible to touch a forward pass may bat it in any direction. 2-2-3-a-3 and 9-4-1-a. Because B77 touched the pass, all become eligible to touch the pass. So it doesn't matter if A1 was ineligible earlier in the down for any reason, his touching (and thus his batting) are now legal.

What logic would be used to make this a backward pass?

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2019, 06:21:09 PM »
I agree it is forward all the way.  I'm verifying I'm not losing my mind.

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2019, 07:24:01 PM »
I agree it is forward all the way.  I'm verifying I'm not losing my mind.

Very risky, asking this loony farm to verify your sanity.

For what it is worth, my friend Harvey and I concur - simply an incomplete forward pass.

Robert

(10 points for anyone that understands the Harvey reference.)

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2019, 09:20:24 PM »
 Mr. Jimmy Stewart.  pHiNzuP
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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2019, 06:41:42 AM »
Mr. Jimmy Stewart.  pHiNzuP

10 points and  aWaRd.  What's that Harvey?  Well, yes, I-I-I suppose we could go get some carrots, just as soon as I find Mary and ZuZu.  Oh, Mary!  Mary!......

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2019, 12:59:48 PM »
New wrinkle: The pass strikes the umpire (not a B player) and center A77 bats it down. Legal?

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2019, 02:38:39 PM »
Harvey was a Pooka.  A mischievous spirit.  In the movie he was a 6'+ rabbit friend of Mr. Stewart.   

I gave my red headed granddaughter this nickname when she was 2 and she wears a necklace with it every day.

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2019, 03:26:22 PM »
New wrinkle: The pass strikes the umpire (not a B player) and center A77 bats it down. Legal?

Yes still legal. Once the pass touches an official, all players become eligible.

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Re: Forward pass, backward pass?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2019, 07:11:42 PM »
  I gave my red headed granddaughter this nickname when she was 2 and she wears a necklace with it every day.

That is so cool.  Forget football.  Forget all sports.  The love of family - especially children - is all that matters.

Good for you.