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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: Ralph Damren on January 23, 2014, 11:16:31 AM
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I'll be off on the "red-eye" tommorrow morn for windy Indy to argue what's hot and what's not for new rules. Thanks, guys for some strong ammo to lobby for ourfavorites. I also poll Maine's other 3 chapter interps, an NCAA white hat, our state football sec. and a former coach/now official for their opinions and their opinions nearly mirror yours. While we all are waiting with baited breath for new rules to argue about, here's the test : In 2000, Sports Illustrated published a "50 from 50" list --the 50 greatest sports figures of the 20th century from each of the 50 states. Test your memory and post your opinion of whom should be # 1 from your state and let's see how many of you agree with SI's choice. ??? ??? (Note : if you are from Alaska or Kentucky, some of SI's choices were of a 4-legged variety). Have fun.......
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Texas Tom Landry
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I lived in Alaska for some time.... Balto is the only one I can think of based on your clue about Alaska.
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North Carolina - Michael Jordan
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Texas Tom Landry
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Sorry, Skybolt, Landry was 15th. Hint : lead Texas athlete is a woman!
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Assuming it's meant athlete born in the state....
For California I'd bet SI went with Tiger Woods, although I personally am not certain a golfer qualifies.
My personal choice would be Ted Williams with Tom Brady as a close second.
If Kentucky's is not Secretariat then I quit.
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I lived in Alaska for some time.... Balto is the only one I can think of based on your clue about Alaska.
Sorry, Younggun, # 1 was Trajan Langdon -"put state on national hoops map". I misslead you, with the hint - several mushers (drivers) not the dogs were on the list. Sorry.
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North Carolina - Michael Jordan
Congratts, Bwest, MJ was #1 with "lead-footed" Richard Petty 2nd. Good job! :) aWaRd
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I'll be off on the "red-eye" tommorrow morn for windy Indy...
I hope you packed plenty of Under Armour!
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Assuming it's meant athlete born in the state....
For California I'd bet SI went with Tiger Woods, although I personally am not certain a golfer qualifies.
My personal choice would be Ted Williams with Tom Brady as a close second.
If Kentucky's is not Secretariat then I quit.
Sorry, Mike L, Tiger was 13th. Teddy Baseball was 5 and (remember this was for last century) Brady had yet to do anything cool. Hint : #1 had 2 baseball brothers. Kentucky's first non-human listing was Man o'War at # 17 - I don't think the movie had came out before the list was made!
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Ok, for Texas gotta be Babe Zaharias
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I hope you packed plenty of Under Armour!
Being a Mainer, LLBean stuff works well! I beleive you're a 'Bama guy, Rulesman, and #1 there - think of baseball - think of homers.
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Not sure what "from your state" actually means, so I'll give two answers:
(1) Paul W. Bryant (born in Arkansas, but gained his fame at Alabama)
(2) Have several in mind for those born in Alabama:
(a) Henry Aaron
(b) Jesse Owens
(c) Vincent (Bo) Jackson
Safe travels!
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Ok, for Texas gotta be Babe Zaharias
You nailed it, Skybolt, Sheryl Swoopes (#28) & Mia Hamm (#36) are the only other Texas ladies listed.
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Sorry, Mike L, Tiger was 13th. Teddy Baseball was 5 and (remember this was for last century) Brady had yet to do anything cool. Hint : #1 had 2 baseball brothers. Kentucky's first non-human listing was Man o'War at # 17 - I don't think the movie had came out before the list was made!
DiMaggio? Really? I do give him props for Marilyn, but better than Ted? Hmmmmm
Before, during or after the movie, if Secretariat isn't number one in the state of Kentucky much less the country, then the guys at SI are smoking the wrong kind of tobaccy
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Not sure what "from your state" actually means, so I'll give two answers:
(1) Paul W. Bryant (born in Arkansas, but gained his fame at Alabama)
(2) Have several in mind for those born in Alabama:
(a) Henry Aaron
(b) Jesse Owens
(c) Vincent (Bo) Jackson
Safe travels!
Excellent job, 'Bama' . Bear is # 1 in Arkansas with the caption : "Four states could claim him".Aaron was # 1 with Bo Jackson # 3. Jesse Owens was # 1 in another state. Hint: round on both ends and hi in the middle.
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Since most Arkansans would not claim Bear Bryant, I would have to say Frank Broyles, John Daly and Brooks Robinson, and Dizzy Dean have to be somewhere in the top five to ten for Arkansas.
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Don't remember who it was from Maine but best guess is Joan Benoit.
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Wisconsin - Eric Heiden
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DiMaggio? Really? I do give him props for Marilyn, but better than Ted? Hmmmmm
Before, during or after the movie, if Secretariat isn't number one in the state of Kentucky much less the country, then the guys at SI are smoking the wrong kind of tobaccy
I'm with you, Mike, on Teddy Baseball. After Joltin' Joe was said "..56 games..3 times MVP..". After Ted was said :"Best hitter (and fisherman) ever".Remember, Ted was not a big hit with sportswriters (he spat at them too often) and the list was assembled by....sportswriters. :(
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Wisconsin - Eric Heiden
You nailed it, Prab, with Ernie Nevers (who only scored 40 points in a NFL game) # 2. Eric's sister, Beth, was # 49 and I beleive the only brother / sister combo on any state's list. Good job.
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Since most Arkansans would not claim Bear Bryant, I would have to say Frank Broyles, John Daly and Brooks Robinson, and Dizzy Dean have to be somewhere in the top five to ten for Arkansas.
Sorry, Busman, the Bear is #1 in Arkansas. Broyles is # 11, Daly # 18, Brooks # 5 & Dizzy # 6.
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Don't remember who it was from Maine but best guess is Joan Benoit.
You nailed it, JG, a woman was also # 2 (the only state that can claim that) can you name her ??? tiphat:
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Cindy Blodgett comes to mind.
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WAG...Magic Johnson or my choice (a blast from the past) - Olympic Speed Skating champion Terry McDermott - both born in Michigan
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North Dakota (where I'm from) was probably Roger Maris. More recent Daren Erstad or Travis Hafner
Indiana (where I live) was probably Larry Bird. I like that choice.
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Excellent job, 'Bama' . Bear is # 1 in Arkansas with the caption : "Four states could claim him".Aaron was # 1 with Bo Jackson # 3. Jesse Owens was # 1 in another state. Hint: round on both ends and hi in the middle.
Hard to believe I'd leave out Willie Mays (who was #2), but you know sportswriters..... and I was trying to guess their answers.
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They probably wouldn't allow Georgia to claim Hank Aaron. That would leave Ty Cobb and Herschel Walker.
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They probably wouldn't allow Georgia to claim Hank Aaron. That would leave Ty Cobb and Herschel Walker.
And Bobby Jones.
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Excellent job, 'Bama' . Bear is # 1 in Arkansas with the caption : "Four states could claim him".Aaron was # 1 with Bo Jackson # 3. Jesse Owens was # 1 in another state. Hint: round on both ends and hi in the middle.
I'll jump on your hint for Owens- Ohio.
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Davey Crockett for TN. (?)
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Davey Crockett for TN. (?)
What sport did Davey play?
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What sport did Davey play?
Hatchett and knife throwing, Olympic sports in the 18th and early 19 centuries.
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Hatchett and knife throwing, Olympic sports in the 18th and early 19 centuries.
There are some Tennessee locations today that still engage in knife throwing and human target practice on a daily basis according to most late night newscasts.
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Davey Crockett for TN. (?)
Davey was indeed a very accomplished athlete. However, he is technically ineligible to be considered as the greatest 20th centuryathlete from Tennessee.
How about Wilma Rudolph?
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Louisiana - Mel Ott, Bert Jones, Shaq
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REPLY: Wow...NJ has a few to choose from. How about one of these:
1. Carl Lewis
2. Rick Barry
3. Derek Jeter
...or maybe
4. Franco Harris
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Cindy Blodgett comes to mind.
Nailed that one,too, JG. I misspoke in my previous post - Tennessee's first two athletes are also women.
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WAG...Magic Johnson or my choice (a blast from the past) - Olympic Speed Skating champion Terry McDermott - both born in Michigan
Magic was #2 with Joe Lewis listed #1 - I understand Lewis wasn'y born in Michigan, but I'm only the messanger. :) Terry Mc Demott was #47.
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North Dakota (where I'm from) was probably Roger Maris. More recent Daren Erstad or Travis Hafner
Indiana (where I live) was probably Larry Bird. I like that choice.
ND = #1 Roger Maris, #3 Daren Erstad (#2 was Phil Jackson), Hafner wasn't listed -remember these are pre-2000. Indiana = the "Bird - Man" was #2, #1 was same sport but different role. Good job!!! :)
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They probably wouldn't allow Georgia to claim Hank Aaron. That would leave Ty Cobb and Herschel Walker.
You nailed it AB, The Georgia Peach (I prefer Georgia Prune) & Herschel Walker are 1 &2. #48 is Red Sox Nation's favorite...Bucky Dent :)! Excellent job aWaRd
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I'll jump on your hint for Owens- Ohio.
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And Bobby Jones.
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I misspoke in my previous post - Tennessee's first two athletes are also women.
How about Wilma Rudolph and Pat (Head) Summit?
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Davey was indeed a very accomplished athlete. However, he is technically ineligible to be considered as the greatest 20th centuryathlete from Tennessee.
How about Wilma Rudolph? Great job, Prab, you nailed it. Tennessee & Maine are the only two states with the 1st 2 being females. Who's Tennessee's #2???
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Louisiana - Mel Ott, Bert Jones, Shaq
Ott #3, Jones #20, no Shaq (was he born in La.???
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REPLY: Wow...NJ has a few to choose from. How about one of these:
1. Carl Lewis
2. Rick Barry
3. Derek Jeter
...or maybe
4. Franco Harris
Excellent, Bob, Lewis #1, Barry #2, Harris #3, on Jeter on list - had he "paid his dues" before 2000??? tiphat:
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How about Wilma Rudolph and Pat (Head) Summit?
You nailed it tiphat:
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You nailed it tiphat:
I'm not a Tennessee fan by any means but I've met Pat and she is first class all the way. I have the utmost respect for the lady.
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I'm not a Tennessee fan by any means but I've met Pat and she is first class all the way. I have the utmost respect for the lady.
I recall reading once that she went into labor with her first child while airborne. The pilot was making arrangements for an emergency landing in Covinton, Kentucky, when Pat intervened with : "My first born WILL NOT be born on Kentucky soil!" The pilot withdrew his request, and Pat's first child was a true Tennesseeian!
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I'm not a Tennessee fan by any means but I've met Pat and she is first class all the way. I have the utmost respect for the lady.
2005, I'm keeping the clock for the Women's Final Four. One of the guys in my office is Pat's neighbor in Knoxville. He tells me to be sure to say hello for him.
On Saturday, I meet her at the shoot around, mention my friend's name, we have a nice talk. On Sunday, she wins her semi-final game, and in the tunnel afterward, we get into a discussion about her son. She is worried because her son will miss school on Monday and Tuesday. I say, "Come on, how often does mom get to play for the National Championship? Oh, excuse me, actually, it's pretty often!" We both chuckle and go on.
At the Championship on Tuesday, she comes out on the court, shakes hands with Gene Auirema of UConn, and then comes over to the table and shakes hands with me. Reporters and others at the table ask why she stopped to see me, are Pat and I friends? Told them, no, she is just a class act.
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On a non-sports (well, maybe not if you're a hunter) matter, the TSA announced that they confiscated 1,813 guns in 2013 at airport security checkpoints. #2 (Dallas- 96) and #3 (Houston -68) are from non-NFHS states, but the leader ,with 111, is the home airport of a very active and beloved member of our forum. Who can name the airport???? ??? Editor's note : This is a payback from many years ago, when said member posted on a now-defunct website an article of Maine coeds forming a topless parade. nAnA :)
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I missed that article but I'll take a wild stab at Atlanta-Hartsfield.
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I'd have to think for WV it would be Jerry West. After all we named the state after him.
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Of course Hartsfield-Jackson airport (ATL) leads the list:
1. It's the busiest passenger airport in the world. More people means more knuckleheads.
2. TSA agents that must be paid on commission. Our agents are downright militia-like compared to many other airports.
3. A state with more than average number of gun owners, although our percentage (40.3%) is virtually identical to Maine (40.5%).
Doesn't surprise me in the least. What is bad/shocking is that TSA found over 100 GRENADES in airport screenings.
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Of course Hartsfield-Jackson airport (ATL) leads the list:
1. It's the busiest passenger airport in the world. More people means more knuckleheads.
2. TSA agents that must be paid on commission. Our agents are downright militia-like compared to many other airports.
3. A state with more than average number of gun owners, although our percentage (40.3%) is virtually identical to Maine (40.5%).
Doesn't surprise me in the least. What is bad/shocking is that TSA found over 100 GRENADES in airport screenings.
I know it's the busiest but does it have the most originations (where TSA would be involved)? I think it's business is due to be a hub/layover location. I've flow through Atlanta a lot more than I've flown to Atlanta.
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I know it's the busiest but does it have the most originations (where TSA would be involved)? I think it's business is due to be a hub/layover location. I've flow through Atlanta a lot more than I've flown to Atlanta.
ATL is number one since 1998 because it is such a large hub. 95 million passengers a year. It was once said that when you die, it doesn't matter if you are going to heaven or hell, you'll have to change planes in Atlanta. But even some connecting passengers have to be rescreened by TSA. It used to be all international passengers, even if you weren't connecting! It also would be anyone returning to the main terminal. With the new international terminal, you only have to be rescreened if you are connecting to a domestic flight. So TSA is involved with some of the connecting passengers as well.
LAX is number one in origination and destinations (O&D).
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For Colorado, I'd vote for either Jack Dempsey or Dutch Clark.
Looking ahead to the 21st century vote, my nod is for 2x WSM Brian Shaw, just because he could likely toss me 20 yards through the air... but is a nice enough guy to not do it. ;D
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I'd have to think for WV it would be Jerry West. After all we named the state after him.
Good job, WV, I polled my buddies on the rules committee and your Mike Webb was one of only three that got it without any hints. The other two guys were from NH & MINN - anyone care to venture the leading jocks from those states??
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For Colorado, I'd vote for either Jack Dempsey or Dutch Clark.
Looking ahead to the 21st century vote, my nod is for 2x WSM Brian Shaw, just because he could likely toss me 20 yards through the air... but is a nice enough guy to not do it. ;D
Very good, COLOUMP, Dempsey was # 1. Dutch Clark was #7, #2 was a Supreme Court Justice (I beleive).
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The other two guys were from NH & MINN - anyone care to venture the leading jocks from those states??
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NH - Carlton Fisk
MN - Bronko Nagurski
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In Vermont it's probably a skier like Billy Kidd, although I would have voted for John LeClair, first American to score 50 or more goals three years in a row (thanks to Lindros).
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The other two guys were from NH & MINN - anyone care to venture the leading jocks from those states??
NH - Carlton Fisk
MN - Bronko Nagurski
BINGO -Good job!
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In Vermont it's probably a skier like Billy Kidd, although I would have voted for John LeClair, first American to score 50 or more goals three years in a row (thanks to Lindros).
Good try,Steve.Billy Kidd was #2 and LeClair was #4. Right sport but wrong sex on #1!! :)
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ND = #1 Roger Maris, #3 Daren Erstad (#2 was Phil Jackson), Hafner wasn't listed -remember these are pre-2000. Indiana = the "Bird - Man" was #2, #1 was same sport but different role. Good job!!! :)
The Wizard of Westwood...John Wooden! He grew up and got his coaching start in Indiana. He graduated from Purdue and coached at Indiana State before taking the job at UCLA.
I just read an entry on him on Wikipedia and found an interesting "what if". He was also being pursued by Minnesota at the time. He preferred to stay in the Midwest but a nasty cold spell prevented the UofM from calling him with his offer in a timely manner. They didn't call until after he accepted the UCLA offer. And now you know the rest of the story.
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You nailed it, Magician - thanks for the interesting info on Wooden -truly a class act.
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Very good, COLOUMP, Dempsey was # 1. Dutch Clark was #7, #2 was a Supreme Court Justice (I beleive).
Would assume #2 would have to be Byron "Whizzer" White. Played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but just a tad before my time.
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Good job, WV, I polled my buddies on the rules committee and your Mike Webb was one of only three that got it without any hints. The other two guys were from NH & MINN - anyone care to venture the leading jocks from those states??
Have to admit that WV is probably one of the easiest states to pick #1. Not really sure who was #2. Would guess one of the Sams, Huff or Snead (and not sure he counts). Of course it could be a college coach. In the 21st century 4 of the last 5 national champs have been coached by WV natives. And surprisingly WV natives coached 11 national football champs in the 20th century. Anybody have any idea who the coaches are and how many each won?
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PA would be tough... just off the top of my head (skewed toward football)
Ditka
Dorsett
Namath
Montana
Jim Kelly
Marino
Curtis Martin
Darrelle Revis
...and that's just western PA
I'd say Arnold Palmer, but I don't think of golfers as "athletes"
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Didn't Wilt Chamberlain have a PA connection?
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Excellent, Bob, Lewis #1, Barry #2, Harris #3, on Jeter on list - had he "paid his dues" before 2000??? tiphat:
REPLY: A few I didn't dare say: Joe Theismann (author of "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Football" [fitting I think]) and Tony Siragusa (possessor of the largest head I've ever seen on a football field).
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Have to admit that WV is probably one of the easiest states to pick #1. Not really sure who was #2. Would guess one of the Sams, Huff or Snead (and not sure he counts). Of course it could be a college coach. In the 21st century 4 of the last 5 national champs have been coached by WV natives. And surprisingly WV natives coached 11 national football champs in the 20th century. Anybody have any idea who the coaches are and how many each won?
Well, Bobby Bowden is one, dadgummit.
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Bobby wasn't born in WV. The 15 national champions in the 20th & 21st century were coached by native born West Virginians. Unfortunately none have ever occurred at WVU.
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Would assume #2 would have to be Byron "Whizzer" White. Played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but just a tad before my time.
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Have to admit that WV is probably one of the easiest states to pick #1. Not really sure who was #2. Would guess one of the Sams, Huff or Snead (and not sure he counts). Of course it could be a college coach. In the 21st century 4 of the last 5 national champs have been coached by WV natives. And surprisingly WV natives coached 11 national football champs in the 20th century. Anybody have any idea who the coaches are and how many each won?
Sam Huff was #6; a girl was # 2; # 3 is the single season RBI record holder; no sign of Sam Snead.
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PA would be tough... just off the top of my head (skewed toward football)
Ditka
Dorsett
Namath
Montana
Jim Kelly
Marino
Curtis Martin
Darrelle Revis
...and that's just western PA
I'd say Arnold Palmer, but I don't think of golfers as "athletes"
Ditka #38, Dorsett # 13, Namath # 11, Montana # 5, Kelly # 45, Marino # 8, Martin & Revis not listed , and Arnold Parmer # 2.
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Didn't Wilt Chamberlain have a PA connection?
:thumbup tiphat: Wilt did and was # 1.
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REPLY: A few I didn't dare say: Joe Theismann (author of "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Football" [fitting I think]) and Tony Siragusa (possessor of the largest head I've ever seen on a football field).
Theismann is # 26, Siragusta isn't listed which puts him behind # 50 - Claudio Reyna - a national soccer team midfielder!
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Well, Bobby Bowden is one, dadgummit.
Coaches on WV's list : # 12 Clair Bee, # 14 Cam Henderson, # 16 John McKay, #32 Rocco Gorman , # 37 Russ Parsons , not household names!
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Surprised the other 2 national championship coaches didn't make WV's list. One of them might have been too early in the century for the sports writers to remember but I'd think 6 national championships in football would qualify. John McKay did provide 4 of those championships.
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Sam Huff was #6; a girl was # 2; # 3 is the single season RBI record holder; no sign of Sam Snead.
Can't believe I forgot Mary Lou. Still trying to figure out #3. Wikipedia says the record holder is Hack Wilson and lists his birth state as Pa. Did John Kruk make list?
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Can't believe I forgot Mary Lou. Still trying to figure out #3. Wikipedia says the record holder is Hack Wilson and lists his birth state as Pa. Did John Kruk make list?
Mary Lou is why I used the term girl in lieu of female or woman - 16 when she won Olympic gold! John Kruk was #22. Hack Wilson was #3, either SI or Wikipedia goofed. I'm betting SI did.
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Mary Lou is why I used the term girl in lieu of female or woman - 16 when she won Olympic gold!
Girl. Woman. In either case, she was still female. pi1eOn
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Girl. Woman. In either case, she was still female. pi1eOn
Girl was used a a hint on age and to separate her from any 50 year old female trucker who may have driven the WV hills blindfolded as a dare back when hula-hoops were vogue. I'll try to be more politically correct next ! hEaDbAnG nAnA :) FlAg1 deadhorse: ^flag 8]
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In Mass we have a few: Rocky Marciano, Patrick Ewing, Tom Glavine, Bobby Carpenter. But I'd have to rocky is tops.
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In Mass we have a few: Rocky Marciano, Patrick Ewing, Tom Glavine, Bobby Carpenter. But I'd have to rocky is tops.
Good job, Eprov, Rocky was #1, Ewing #2 ,Carpenter #4, and Glavine #7. Hint on #2 : last player to score via a drop-kick in NFL.
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Good job, Eprov, Rocky was #1, Ewing #2 ,Carpenter #4, and Glavine #7. Hint on #2 : last player to score via a drop-kick in NFL.
Then it must be Flutie. Flutie above Glavine? Ridiculous.
Flutie was a good college QB with a marginal pro career. Glavine was a first ballot HOF pitcher. Not even close!
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Then it must be Flutie. Flutie above Glavine? Ridiculous.
Flutie was a good college QB with a marginal pro career. Glavine was a first ballot HOF pitcher. Not even close!
I agree - I'm only the messanger :).
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I have a photo pf him making the drop-kick hanging in my office. But I didn't put him on the list. Maybe the top BC grad.