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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: FLAHL on October 22, 2017, 01:51:12 PM

Title: How do you handle this?
Post by: FLAHL on October 22, 2017, 01:51:12 PM: The action moves downfield- long run, long pass, it doesn't matter. OL Bubba has taken DL Bubba to the ground (assume legally) and is just laying on top of him. I usually yell "Get off of him" just to make sure this doesn't turn into a wrestling match, or worse. Is OL Bubba breaking a rule here?
Title: How do you handle this?
Post by: CalhounLJ on October 22, 2017, 02:33:42 PM: I won’t let him lay there forever. If he refuses to listen to me when i tell him to let the guy up, I’ll encourage him with a USC flag. I’ve never had to do that though. So far, a stern voice has been enough.

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Title: Re: How do you handle this?
Post by: AlUpstateNY on October 22, 2017, 05:11:33 PM: Only when "Get off him" fails, or is ignored, NFHS 9-2-1c might just do the trick; "An offensive player SHALL NOT: (1c) Use his hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in an effort to restrain an opponent."
Title: Re: How do you handle this?
Post by: ncwingman on October 22, 2017, 05:25:08 PM: It doesn't say anything about using your torso... :sTiR:
Title: Re: How do you handle this?
Post by: Rulesman on October 22, 2017, 06:10:48 PM: Quote from: ncwingman on October 22, 2017, 05:25:08 PM
It doesn't say anything about using your torso... :sTiR:
It’s still holding. Don’t split hairs with semantics. Seems like I vaguely recall something years ago about this possibly falling under DOG. That might not fly today.
Title: Re: How do you handle this?
Post by: ncwingman on October 22, 2017, 06:32:47 PM: Quote from: Rulesman on October 22, 2017, 06:10:48 PM
It’s still holding. Don’t split hairs with semantics. Seems like I vaguely recall something years ago about this possibly falling under DOG. That might not fly today.

Thus the pot sitrring...

Although, philosophically, throwing a holding foul on action 20 yards behind the ball that's not affecting the play is a bit questionable. If it's serious enough to warrant a flag, it'd have to be a personal foul in my book.
Title: Re: How do you handle this?
Post by: Ralph Damren on October 23, 2017, 08:51:21 AM: IMHO, if after one "GET OFF HIM, NOW!" and the player deciding not to listen, I would be tempted to call an USC under 9-5-1g. This would fall under all-but-one enforcement if holding or PF was called and it doesn't sound like it had any baring on the outcome of the play. USC would be enforced from the succeeding spot, so the play wouldn't be brought back AND big ole' Bubba and his coach would both be informed that he was halfway to being all the way of being out of the game. I would stay away from DOG as that only applies in preventing promptness in putting the ball in play (3-6-2) unless this occurred after the ball was dead (3-6-2g).
Title: Re: How do you handle this?
Post by: AlUpstateNY on October 23, 2017, 09:24:13 AM: Quote from: ncwingman on October 22, 2017, 05:25:08 PM
It doesn't say anything about using your torso... :sTiR: /quote]

What part of, " using hands, arms or legs to hook, lock, clamp, grasp, encircle or hold in an effort to restrain an opponent." are you having trouble understanding?
Title: Re: How do you handle this?
Post by: CalhounLJ on October 23, 2017, 09:49:08 AM: Maybe the definition of "torso?"
Title: Re: How do you handle this?
Post by: Ralph Damren on October 23, 2017, 12:56:49 PM: If ,instead of laying on the opponent, Bubba was setting on the opponent could he be flagged for butt-blocking ??

^talk ^talk ^talk (six-man crew)
Title: How do you handle this?
Post by: CalhounLJ on October 23, 2017, 12:57:22 PM: Lol. 🤦‍♂️

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