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2017 CFO Exam
« on: June 18, 2017, 09:18:50 PM »
Anybody workin' on the CFO pre-season exam?

Q34 (paraphrased)
4/10, A-30.  During A's punt, A88 goes OB voluntarily, then returns inbounds and tackles the B ball carrier at the B-45.

a.  B, 1/10, 50
b.  B, 1/10, B-45
c.  A, 4/25, A-15
d.  A, 4/20, A-20

Uh, "a." is one possibility, but B has the option to enforce the 5-yard penalty for the Illegal Return to the Field of Play at the previous spot, and repeat the down.  That would be A (corrected from original post), 4/15, A-25.  Right?

Has something changed since 2012?


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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 10:06:16 PM »
Yes, A 4/15 A-25 is an option.

The instructions say there is only one correct choice, which I take to mean that only one of the choices is an option for the offended team to select.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2017, 12:49:42 AM »
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That would be B, 4/15, A-25.  Right?


Three "comments":
1. How does B get the ball 4/15? Do you mean A?
2. I agree with Hawkeye that "A, 4/15, A-25" is a valid option, however it is not one listed to select from.
3. Technically 'b' is also a valid answer as 'B' can decline the foul and take the result of the play. "B, 1/10, B-45" but I wouldn't select that as a correct answer.


See AR 6-3-12 it matches this question.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2017, 11:43:57 AM »
Sorry.  Not sure what I did that made this some sort of major heading under the NCAA category, but I didn't mean to do that.  Administrator:  please feel free to fix or delete this thread, if needed.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2017, 11:53:50 AM »

Three "comments":
1. How does B get the ball 4/15? Do you mean A?


"Duh" on me.  Yes, A, 4/15, A-25.

The AR supports our understanding, truly.  But, the question doesn't offer the choice to penalize A at the previous spot with the correct 5-yard penalty, as it should, IMHO.  Just wondering if I'd missed something.


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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2017, 12:22:02 PM »
Sorry.  Not sure what I did that made this some sort of major heading under the NCAA category, but I didn't mean to do that.  Administrator:  please feel free to fix or delete this thread, if needed.

An Admin stuck it at the top so any and all questions about the CFO Exam can be put in here.  Congratulations!  You started our "official" CFO Exam thread.  :)

I have a question...does anyone have a copy of the test that can be attached on here or printed off?  I really like to have one I can sit down with, write on, etc.  If you have one and don't know how to attach it, send me a message on here and I'll either help you attach it or you can email it to me and I'll attach it.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2017, 03:34:23 PM »
Whew...thought I'd stuck my fingers where they didn't belong.
Will the CFO object if the exam gets distributed?  Wouldn't want anybody to get in a bind with them.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2017, 03:43:24 PM »
They usually do themselves. PDF version was downloadable. But I couldn't find it this year

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2017, 06:14:13 PM »
Attached here.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2017, 04:27:37 PM »
How about #84 in the PDF linked by Andrew (your actual number may vary)?

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Second and 10 at the A-10 during a game with Instant Replay. Ball carrier A22 is running very near the sideline at the A-15, but then cuts back toward the middle of the field and is tackled at the A-25. The head linesman rules that A22 stepped out of bounds at the A-15. Replays show clearly A22 did not step out.

a. Based on the decision by the replay official, Team A will have second and 5 at the A-15.
b. The result of the play will stand unless the Team B coach challenges it.
c. The play is not reviewable. First and 10 for Team A at the A-25.

The answer should be a combination of A and C. It's not reviewable because the ball carrier was ruled out of bounds (the first part of c), but it should be second and 5 at that spot (last part of A).

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2017, 05:47:20 PM »
 On 84, you have a 33% chance of getting it right as none of the three answers are correct, good luck to all!

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2017, 06:37:43 AM »
I thought in the past you were at least told which questions you answered incorrectly.  All I know is my final score.

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2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2017, 12:30:13 PM »
I thought in the past you were at least told which questions you answered incorrectly.  All I know is my final score.
I don't think you can see that until the testing period has closed.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2017, 06:26:44 AM »
How about #84 in the PDF linked by Andrew (your actual number may vary)?

The answer should be a combination of A and C. It's not reviewable because the ball carrier was ruled out of bounds (the first part of c), but it should be second and 5 at that spot (last part of A).

Agree, I'm going with the correct down and distance.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2017, 09:21:43 AM »
Agree, I'm going with the correct down and distance.
The correct down and distance would actually be 3rd and 5, so that may not be the best option.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam #64
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2017, 09:00:01 PM »
Q64
A & C are equally valid answers.  B is nonsensical - I suspect it was meant to read, "...elect to take the ball at the B-32."  That would make D the one best answer.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam #64
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2017, 05:10:25 AM »
Q64
A & C are equally valid answers.  B is nonsensical - I suspect it was meant to read, "...elect to take the ball at the B-32."  That would make D the one best answer.

Does team B have the 30-yard option in this situation? I think the question is correct and D is the right answer.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2017, 06:48:32 AM »
Silly me.  Of course.  Complete brain fart.  Thanks.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2017, 10:17:44 AM »
C is correct. 

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2017, 03:12:24 PM »
Annoucement from CFO today:


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On the 2017 NCAA/CFO National Rules Test, #84 on the pdf is incorrectly framed, as none of the answer choices is correct.  The correct answer is that the play is “Not reviewable."
 
Second and 10 at the A-10 during a game with Instant Replay.  Ball carrier A22 is running very near the sideline at the A-15, but then cuts back toward the middle of the field and is tackled at the A-25.  The head linesman rules that A22 stepped out of bounds at the A-15.  Replays show clearly A22 did not step out.
 
a.  Based on the decision by the replay official, Team A will have second and 5 at the A-15.

b.  The result of the play will stand unless the Team B coach challenges it.
 
c.  The play is not reviewable.  First and 10 for Team A at the A-25.
 
Since you must answer all questions to submit your test. For this question, you can select answer C and you will be given credit for a correct answer. If you select A or B, your test score will reflect an incorrect answer. This will be corrected after the test closes. Once the test has closed, all officials submitting a test will be given credit for a correct answer.

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2017, 05:06:10 PM »
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"On the 2017 NCAA/CFO National Rules Test, #84 on the pdf is incorrectly framed, as none of the answer choices is correct.  The correct answer is that the play is “Not reviewable.
Second and 10 at the A-10 during a game with Instant Replay.  Ball carrier A22 is running very near the sideline at the A-15, but then cuts back toward the middle of the field and is tackled at the A-25.  The head linesman rules that A22 stepped out of bounds at the A-15.  Replays show clearly A22 did not step out.
 
a.  Based on the decision by the replay official, Team A will have second and 5 at the A-15.

b.  The result of the play will stand unless the Team B coach challenges it.
 
c.  The play is not reviewable.  First and 10 for Team A at the A-25."
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Scratching my head...
That is exactly how the test that I have already reads.  What does "incorrectly framed" mean?

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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2017, 06:33:53 PM »
Incorrectly phrased maybe? Did the dastardly spell check work its magic?
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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2017, 08:38:57 AM »
I believe that they are using "framed" in a use similar to "set the stage" but I believe that it is used incorrectly in this case.  The question as it is worded is a valid one (it is "framed" correctly IMHO), none of the answers as listed are correct.
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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2017, 10:49:46 AM »
...none of the answers as listed are correct.
I believe CFO has already addressed that. {If you} "...answer C and you will be given credit for a correct answer. If you select A or B, your test score will reflect an incorrect answer. This will be corrected after the test closes. Once the test has closed, all officials submitting a test will be given credit for a correct answer."
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Re: 2017 CFO Exam
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2017, 03:10:29 PM »
I just misread the answers.  Indeed, there are no correct answers.  "c" correctly states that it isn't reviewable, but then it says 1/10 for A at the A-25.  Since the play isn't reviewable, the ball was dead when the H ruled that the BC stepped on the sideline at the A-15.  So, the succeeding play would be A, 3/5, A-15.

I get it, now.  Sorry to muck up the works.