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Offline craigyok

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dropping his cap
« on: August 16, 2012, 08:53:47 AM »
I know in the college and NFL, whenever a player of A steps out of bounds during a play, you mark the spot where he reenters with your hat.  Is there such a thing NFHS?

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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2012, 09:00:30 AM »
If he's forced out, he's allowed to return at the first opportunity, so there's no need to mark where he re-enters.

Technically, if he steps out voluntarily (which should really read "untouched by B", but whatever), we mark the spot where he returns with a flag.

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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2012, 09:11:41 AM »
'dropping the cap' is not an NFHS mechanic.

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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 09:53:19 AM »
There is no federation mechanic.  However many associations, mine included, do mark the spot where the player went out of bounds, not where he came back in.
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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 10:37:09 AM »
Technically, if he steps out voluntarily (which should really read "untouched by B", but whatever), we mark the spot where he returns with a flag.
It's worse than that: the rule says "intentionally"!

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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 06:09:30 AM »
I've never understood this.  The foul occurs when he reenters & participates.  Why mark where he (intentionally/voluntarily/untouched by B) stepped out?

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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 06:38:04 AM »
I've never understood this.  The foul occurs when he reenters & participates.  Why mark where he (intentionally/voluntarily/untouched by B) stepped out?
This is an unusual (and harsh — 15 yard penalty) call, and I think the hat is somewhat about perception. Most players commit this foul by stepping out of bounds and re-entering instantly, so the hat also marks the spot of re-entering. But it also tells everyone that the official saw the foul and is not making it up post hoc.

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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 09:12:22 AM »
Most players commit this foul by stepping out of bounds and re-entering instantly, so the hat also marks the spot of re-entering.

I'd just as soon have a flag down.  It can be waved off if the player doesn't participate.

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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 11:04:22 AM »
I'd just as soon have a flag down.  It can be waved off if the player doesn't participate.
The problem with that is you don't have a "flaggable offense" just because he steps out. Not just yet, anyway.
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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 11:39:55 AM »
The problem with that is you don't have a "flaggable offense" just because he steps out. Not just yet, anyway.

Which is why I pointed out that it could be waved off.

We do the same thing if there's DPI downfield, but the ball was tipped at the LOS.

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Re: dropping his cap
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 12:35:32 PM »
Which is why I pointed out that it could be waved off.

We do the same thing if there's DPI downfield, but the ball was tipped at the LOS.
You are correct in that downfield DPI is a flag but there is a caveat if the pass is tipped at the line - all bets being off. However, it is not a foul for merely stepping off the field and there is no reason to throw a flag until specific acts (return and participate) occurs at a future point in time. Your comparison is apples and oranges.
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