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NCAA Discussion / Re: S-B Quiz 2024-15 Championship Week
« Last post by ElvisLives on December 06, 2024, 01:20:30 PM »
Not sure what you mean by free kick timing but for reasons that someone should fix the clock runs on the ready if the clock is set to 0:08.  This play is exactly AR 3-4-4-VIII

Yep. Thank you. Just overlooked that, while being concerned about the actual time remaining. I will fix that in a moment.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: S-B Quiz 2024-15 Championship Week
« Last post by ump_ben on December 06, 2024, 11:52:45 AM »
I think I got these.

Week 15

1. 2/7 @ A-5 late in the second quarter. Quarterback A11 drops back to pass and is scrambling in his end zone as he tries to find an open receiver. About to be tackled in the end zone, A11 throws the ball forward to the ground in an area where there are no eligible receivers. The referee throws a flag for intentional grounding. When the ball is dead the game clock shows 0:18. Team B accepts the penalty.
RULING:
A, 3/7, A-5, 0:18 (2), snap (25) – OR – A, free kick, A-20, 0:08 (2), free kick timing (25) – OR - A, free kick, A-20, 0:18 (2), free kick timing (25).
Team B may decline the penalty, which will return the ball to the previous spot for the next down. By declining the penalty, Team B does not have the option for a 10-second subtraction. If Team B accepts the penalty, the result is a safety, 2-points for Team B, with a free kick by Team A to follow. By accepting the penalty, Team B also has the option of a 10-second subtraction from the game clock; thus, the game clock will either reflect the 10SS, or remain unchanged, as Team B so elects.

Not sure what you mean by free kick timing but for reasons that someone should fix the clock runs on the ready if the clock is set to 0:08.  This play is exactly AR 3-4-4-VIII
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NCAA Discussion / S-B Quiz 2024-15 Championship Week
« Last post by ElvisLives on December 06, 2024, 11:27:19 AM »
I think I got these.

Week 15

1. 2/7 @ A-5 late in the second quarter. Quarterback A11 drops back to pass and is scrambling in his end zone as he tries to find an open receiver. About to be tackled in the end zone, A11 throws the ball forward to the ground in an area where there are no eligible receivers. The referee throws a flag for intentional grounding. When the ball is dead the game clock shows 0:18. Team B accepts the penalty.
RULING:
A, 3/7, A-5, 0:18 (2), snap (25) – OR – A, free kick, A-20, 0:08 (2), free kick timing ready (25) – OR - A, free kick, A-20, 0:18 (2), free kick timing (25).
Team B may decline the penalty, which will return the ball to the previous spot for the next down. By declining the penalty, Team B does not have the option for a 10-second subtraction. If Team B accepts the penalty, the result is a safety, 2-points for Team B, with a free kick by Team A to follow. By accepting the penalty, Team B also has the option of a 10-second subtraction from the game clock; thus, the game clock will either reflect the 10SS, or remain unchanged, as Team B so elects.


2. Free Kick @ A-35. Late in the game with the score tied, Kicker A98 places the ball down at the right hash for an apparent onside kick. After the Referee’s ready-for-play signal, A98 approaches the ball and then picks up the ball, runs to the left hash at the A-35, places the ball down and quickly kicks the ball. The ball is recovered by A21 at the A-47.
RULING:
A, kickoff, A-30, free kick timing (25).
Once the lateral location for the pending kick is established and the ball is ready for play, the lateral location of the pending kick may not be changed unless there is a time out charged to either team, or if there is a subsequent ready-for-play interval. This is a dead-ball foul for an illegal kick, and the game officials shall sound their whistles and stop all action at the moment the kicking player’s foot contacts the ball, and penalize Team A 5-yards from the succeeding spot. Because of the penalty completion, Team A may then place the ball at a different location for the pending kick.
 

3. 3/Goal @ B-10. A86 is legally blocked out of bounds by B18 at Team B’s two-yard line. A86, while attempting an immediate return to the field of play, leaps from out of bounds and is airborne as he receives A16’s legal forward pass. He lands in Team B’s end zone with the ball in his grasp.
RULING:
A, 4/G, B-10, snap (40 and running).
Because he attempted to return to the field immediately, A86 does not commit a foul for illegal touching (or any other foul). However, until he returns to the ground inbounds, he is, officially, out of bounds while he is airborne from out of bounds. Thus, when he touches the loose ball while airborne, the ball is dead, and the result of the down is an incomplete pass, next down at the previous spot.


4. Try @ B-3. A98’s kick is successful, but B54 is lined up offside. After the ball is dead, Team B commits a dead-ball personal foul.
RULING:
A, try, B-3/4, no clock (25) – OR – A, kickoff, 50, free kick timing (25).
If Team A accepts the penalty for B54’s offside foul, the try down will be repeated; therefore, by rule, the penalty for the dead-ball UNR by team B will also be enforced on the repeat of the try, taking the ball to the B-3/4. If Team A declines the penalty for the offside foul, the 15-yard penalty for the dead-ball UNR by Team B is enforced at the spot of the succeeding kick, taking the ball to the 50.


5. 1/10 @ A-30. Shotgun Quarterback A8 takes the snap and runs around the right side with A34 running side-by-side. At the A-29, A8 thrusts the ball laterally toward A34 who touches the ball at the A-30. A8 releases the ball at A-31 at which time A34’s hands are slightly forward of A8.
RULING:
Incomplete information – we don’t know the natural result of the down. But, on the assumption there is no change of team possession, and/or the down occurs outside of 2-minutes in the 2nd or 4th periods:
A, 2/14, A-26, ready.
Illegal forward handing occurs when the ball is forward of the player releasing the ball at the moment he releases it to teammate who successfully receives the ball. In this case, A8 illegally hands the ball forward to A34. The penalty is 5-yards from the spot of the handing, plus loss of down.


6. 3/10 @ A-6. QB A12 retreats and then passes forward to A21 who is the intended receiver and is in the area. Lineman A70, while in his end zone, reaches out and touches the ball as he attempts to catch the pass, and the pass falls incomplete.
RULING:
A, 4/13, A-3, snap (25).
Since A12 was attempting a forward pass to A21, “in the area,” this is a legal forward pass. Thus, when A70 intentionally touched the previously untouched ball, he committed a foul for illegal touching. The penalty for illegal touching by an originally ineligible player is 5-yards (1/2 the distance) from the previous spot, plus a loss of down.


7. 3/10 @ A-6. QB A12 retreats and then passes forward to A21 who is the intended receiver and is in the area. Lineman A70, while in his end zone, reaches out and catches the pass and is downed in the end zone.
RULING:
A, free kick, A-20, free kick timing (25) – OR – A, 4/13, A-3, snap (25).
The natural result of the down is a safety. If Team B elects the result of the down, Team B will get 2-points for the safety, and Team A will have a free kick from the A-20.
However, Team B has another option. Since A12 was attempting a forward pass to A21, “in the area,” this is a legal forward pass. Thus, when A70 intentionally touched the previously untouched ball, he committed a foul for illegal touching. The penalty for illegal touching by an originally ineligible player is 5-yards (half the distance) from the previous spot, plus a loss of down. By accepting the penalty, Team A will have 4th down, half the distance to the goal. Because of the apparent score (safety), the game clock will start on the snap (by rule).


8. 3/10 @ A-6. QB A12 retreats and then passes forward to A21 who is the intended receiver and is in the area. Lineman A70, while in his end zone, reaches out and catches the pass and is downed after having advanced to his two-yard line.
RULING:
A, 4/14, A-2, ready (25).
Although A70 commits a foul for illegal touching, Team B will decline the penalty, because the natural result of the down will place the succeeding spot at the A-2, which is more advantageous to Team B than accepting the penalty for the illegal touching, which would place the ball at the A-3, for 4th down (due to the loss of down included with the penalty).

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National Federation Discussion / Re: NFHS Questionnaire Is Out
« Last post by Ralph Damren on December 06, 2024, 06:48:13 AM »
Would it kick out of bounds foul on K?  R gets it +5 from out of bounds spot?
Not under my interpretation. The kick was still inbounds when touched by OOB R.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: NFHS Questionnaire Is Out
« Last post by Fatso on December 05, 2024, 03:43:12 PM »
If R had touched the ball BEFORE K gained possession and was still OOB, it would be R's ball at that spot.

Would it kick out of bounds foul on K?  R gets it +5 from out of bounds spot?
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NCAA Discussion / Re: S-B Quiz 2024-14
« Last post by ElvisLives on December 05, 2024, 01:59:16 PM »
We had #1 almost happen in my first FCS game in 2012.  Team scores a TD and they celebrate with a "grenade" celebration.  There was about 8 players involved so we enforced as one UNS.  Then after the celebration we had a player in that group remove his helmet.  As that was happening we had several run off the bench into the end zone to join so counted that as a 3rd UNS.  I was a tad nervous working at this level and my mind was racing of whether we should have had a 4th (as I thought I saw a couple of players who were running on remove their helmets too) but was with a very veteran crew who was that level for a long time and amid all the chaos we agreed on 3 and kicked from the 5.  I knew the rule at the time and suggested we might consider but after discussion we we comfortable with enforcement.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: S-B Quiz 2024-14
« Last post by ljudge on December 05, 2024, 09:58:14 AM »
We had #1 almost happen in my first FCS game in 2012.  Team scores a TD and they celebrate with a "grenade" celebration.  There was about 8 players involved so we enforced as one UNS.  Then after the celebration we had a player in that group remove his helmet.  As that was happening we had several run off the bench into the end zone to join so counted that as a 3rd UNS.  I was a tad nervous working at this level and my mind was racing of whether we should have had a 4th (as I thought I saw a couple of players who were running on remove their helmets too) but was with a very veteran crew who was that level for a long time and amid all the chaos we agreed on 3 and kicked from the 5.  I knew the rule at the time and suggested we might consider but after discussion we we comfortable with enforcement.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: NFHS Questionnaire Is Out
« Last post by Ralph Damren on December 05, 2024, 07:26:16 AM »
Obvious onside kick scenario. As the ball is kicked, the outermost R receiver on the restraining line immediately moves just OOB, turns back to the field, and as the ball bounds towards the restraining line and sideline, he falls forward into the field of play, and reaches out and touches the ball just as K gains physical possession of the ball.

Whose ball is it?

(under the new proposal)
If the kick had traveled 10 yards, it would have been K's ball as R was back in the field of play. If R had touched the ball BEFORE K gained possession and was still OOB, it would be R's ball at that spot. If you ruled R had intentionally gone OOB you woud have IP.
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National Federation Discussion / Re: NFHS Questionnaire Is Out
« Last post by dammitbobby on December 04, 2024, 07:16:32 PM »
Obvious onside kick scenario. As the ball is kicked, the outermost R receiver on the restraining line immediately moves just OOB, turns back to the field, and as the ball bounds towards the restraining line and sideline, he falls forward into the field of play, and reaches out and touches the ball just as K gains physical possession of the ball.

Whose ball is it?

(under the new proposal)
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National Federation Discussion / Re: NFHS Questionnaire Is Out
« Last post by GA Umpire on December 04, 2024, 06:27:42 PM »
We/I have a proposal in to treat OOB R touching a free kick that is still inbounds as merely R's ball at that spot. When we tweaked 6-1-9 back in 2000, that was the intent and was supported by case play & illustration for several years. This has always been my interpretation as I proposed the change back then.

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