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Offline bama_stripes

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« on: January 02, 2025, 08:26:33 AM »
Curious as to whether an Assisting the Runner call was missed on ASU’s TD in OT1.  To me, this was blatant and obvious.

(1)  Is the NCAA rule different from NFHS?
(2)  Who should see/call this?  U?  FJ?

Offline TxJim

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Re: Texas-ASU
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2025, 08:41:10 AM »
Curious as to whether an Assisting the Runner call was missed on ASU’s TD in OT1.  To me, this was blatant and obvious.

(1)  Is the NCAA rule different from NFHS?
(2)  Who should see/call this?  U?  FJ?

So we should disregard the ball carrier still has his legs and feet planted and obviously pushing forward and we should ignore Team B #16 hitting the ball carrier from behind so that only the action of the lineman alone created any further forward progress?
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Re: Texas-ASU
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2025, 09:38:16 AM »
Agree with Jim - circumstances matter, and the only real advantage he gained was by using him as a land bridge to reach the EZ without being down.

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Re: Texas-ASU
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2025, 09:52:56 AM »
Another NCAA question from a NFHS guy about a play in this game. 2:07 2nd quarter, the fake punt passing play. ASU has #22 lined up in a tackle position and is 5yards downfield, (right in front of the Umpire) when they throw the pass. How is this guy eligible? They had 3 players in front of the player receiving snap 4 in the backfield, two wideouts and #22 was part of the interior 5 no question about this formation.

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Re: Texas-ASU
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2025, 10:03:54 AM »
Let me see. The ball carrier was facing his own goal line (back to B’s goal line) and still churning his legs and moving forward (toward B’s goal line), so the ball was still alive. His teammate - between the BC and B’s goal line - bear hugs the BC and falls toward B’s goal line, taking the BC off his feet and falling closer to B’s goal line than where he was when the teammate grasped him.  He made more forward progress than he would have had the teammate not grasped him and fell toward B’s goal line.
Hmmm. How is that NOT assisting the BC?
A Team B player contacted the BC? I guess I’m blind. I’m just not seeing anywhere where contact by an opponent before or simultaneously with a Teammate grasping and assisting a BC in forward progress absolves the teammate of a foul for assisting the BC. Please point me to that part of the rule, or an AR to that effect.
The BC, bear-hugged by his teammate, falls and does not contact the ground because his teammate, by holding him on top of himself, prevents the BC from touching the ground, which could have made the ball dead before the ball broke the plane of the goal line. And that’s not an ‘assist?’
As careful as we should be about making a call for assisting the BC, this action fully qualified, and should have been called.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2025, 11:21:25 AM by ElvisLives »

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Re: Texas-ASU
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2025, 11:24:31 AM »
Not very sure about targeting because although rule is the same, i have seen it enforced differently from conference to conference. I do have a question about aiding the runner since rule has changed since I retired. The big RB from ASU appeared stopped before goal when an offensive tackle standing in endzone picked him up and put him in endzone. I have been retired a long time so I am asking,is this legal.

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Re: Texas-ASU
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2025, 12:06:55 PM »
Not very sure about targeting because although rule is the same, i have seen it enforced differently from conference to conference. I do have a question about aiding the runner since rule has changed since I retired. The big RB from ASU appeared stopped before goal when an offensive tackle standing in endzone picked him up and put him in endzone. I have been retired a long time so I am asking,is this legal.

No. It is NOT legal. The only change in the rule was they removed to prohibition against pushing the ball carrier, or the ‘pile.’ Still can’t grasp, lift, or pull the BC to assist in forward progress.

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Re: Texas-ASU
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2025, 12:31:43 PM »
Another NCAA question from a NFHS guy about a play in this game. 2:07 2nd quarter, the fake punt passing play. ASU has #22 lined up in a tackle position and is 5yards downfield, (right in front of the Umpire) when they throw the pass. How is this guy eligible? They had 3 players in front of the player receiving snap 4 in the backfield, two wideouts and #22 was part of the interior 5 no question about this formation.

Yeah, I noticed it looked odd live. I went back and slowed it down. He was at 4 yards when the pass was released, so close but enough to be called for IDP.