Welcome to the shortest day of the year (23 hours)

[Ralph Damren]

There's always some grumbling by turning the clocks ahead or back. What say you

[dammitbobby]

I can't ever tell which one is daylight saving and which one is standard, so I vote keep as it is, as of today.

[Ralph Damren]

KEEP THEM THERE VOTES A' COMING  . They say you can't teach an ole' dawg new tricks, and for me, I'm  happy with the current timing.  I've heard some say it them over a week for their bodies to accept the time change. IMHO, it doesn't differ than from traveling to another time zone. While "jet lag" may slow one down for a couple of hours, it quickly goes away. Our NFHS Rules meeting, prior to 2004, used to bounce from city to city. In 1996, our meeting was held in Anchorage, Alaska. We of the Eastern time zone needed to turn our watches back 5 hours. Jet lag disappeared as we had, IMHO, one of our most productive meetings with passage of.....
           Roughing the snapper rule
           Untimed down if inadvertent whistle to extend period
           Clock starts on snap after COP
           Removed requirement of 5 R players w/i 5 yds of their free kick line
           Changed basic spot from goal line to 20 on fouls on TB plays
The beer was cold but outside was colder. Sun rose at 10:30 and set at 2 PM. 

[Ralph Damren]

KEEP THEM THERE VOTES A' COMING  . They say you can't teach an ole' dawg new tricks, and for me, I'm  happy with the current timing.  I've heard some say it takes them over a week for their bodies to accept the time change. IMHO, it doesn't differ than from traveling to another time zone. While "jet lag" may slow one down for a couple of hours, it quickly goes away. Our NFHS Rules meeting, prior to 2004, used to bounce from city to city. In 1996, our meeting was held in Anchorage, Alaska. We of the Eastern time zone needed to turn our watches back 5 hours. Jet lag disappeared as we had, IMHO, one of our most productive meetings with passage of.....
           Roughing the snapper rule
           Untimed down if inadvertent whistle to extend period
           Clock starts on snap after COP
           Removed requirement of 5 R players w/i 5 yds of their free kick line
           Changed basic spot from goal line to 20 on fouls on TB plays
The beer was cold but outside was colder. Sun rose at 10:30 and set at 2 PM. 

[Grant - AR]

At first thought, moving the clocks 30 minutes to "meet in the middle", seems like a good compromise.  But, I have a feeling that would cause chaos all over the US and the world.  We wouldn't be in sync with the rest of the world anymore and that would just be too much trouble...unless the world decided to match it. 

For me, I would prefer to stay like we are right now.  I really like the extra sunlight at the end of the day.  I understand the issues with it being dark later in the morning and school kids, etc.  That was never really a problem for me growing up or with my kids, but I know it's an issue for some others.  My preference is to stay like we are, but I'm ok with doing whatever is best for the majority.  It won't negatively impact my life either way. 

[riffraft]

Living in Arizona and not doing daylight saving time, I would rather we leave it on standard time, where I am only 2 hours difference from the east coast rather than 3.

[ElvisLives]

After spending a full week there - making my 20th visit there (but, who is bragging? Me! That’s who…), the solution to the problem for me is to move to Hawai’i. Standard time all year round, for malihini. For the uninitiated, the Hawaiian people and most residents follow what is known as ‘Hawaiian time,’ which, essentially, follows no clock. That’s rather like being retired, which I like, very much.
If I must live on the mainland, let’s do daylight savings time, full time, for the entire mainland.

[Grant - AR]

After spending a full week there - making my 20th visit there (but, who is bragging? Me! That’s who…), the solution to the problem for me is to move to Hawai’i. Standard time all year round, for malihini. For the uninitiated, the Hawaiian people and most residents follow what is known as ‘Hawaiian time,’ which, essentially, follows no clock. That’s rather like being retired, which I like, very much.
If I must live on the mainland, let’s do daylight savings time, full time, for the entire mainland.

I was there a couple of weeks ago (Maui) and there is definitely a feel of "Hawaiian time" everywhere.  Being in paradise, I didn't mind it at all. 

[ElvisLives]

I was there a couple of weeks ago (Maui) and there is definitely a feel of "Hawaiian time" everywhere.  Being in paradise, I didn't mind it at all.

Did you try the Road to Hana? Took a shuttle bus tour of it. The scenery is certainly spectacular. But the ride on that, essentially, one lane road in a shuttle bus, riding along the edge of a cliff for much of it, is a bit butt-puckering. But it was a great experience.
Also did the sunrise experience on Haleakala. That was really cool. A bit cold, but worth it. Saw a Ahinahina (Silversword) plant blooming. They live up to 50 years, and only bloom once in their lifetime, then die. It was beautiful, even during standard time!
Hope you had a good time.

For clarification, went to Oahu and Kauai on this latest trip. Went to Maui in 2015.

[dammitbobby]

We're going to Hono in June.  Haven't been there in probably 12 years or so.  We're looking forward to it!

[ElvisLives]

We're going to Hono in June.  Haven't been there in probably 12 years or so.  We're looking forward to it!

I love nothing more than sitting under an umbrella on Waikīkī beach with a genuine Coca Cola and just watching the people, boats, planes, etc. All day.
(Be aware: if you order a Coca Cola in a restaurant, you may get a “local cola,” which is a knock-off of genuine Coca Cola, using sugar cane sweetener, rather than high fructose corn syrup. Local cola does not taste very good, IMHO, as compared to genuine Coca Cola. Know before ya go!)
If you are there on a Friday, get a reservation at 53 By The Sea, for 7pm or 7:15pm. You’ll be enjoying your meal, looking out the windows back toward Waikīkī beach, while the Hilton hotel has a fireworks show at 7:45pm (every Friday). Women love that. Heck, I like it.
If you plan to go to a luau, I highly recommend the Paradise Cove luau. Fun pre-meal activities, great food, and a great show. Best one I’ve gone to. And I challenge you to find a place called the ABC Store. 😂 FYI, Hilo Hattie has moved into the Ala Moana Center (my favorite shirt store).
Enjoy the weather.

[Ralph Damren]

Geographicaly Maine should be in the Alantic time zone, but with much commerce and travel between us and our New England neighbors, would cause confusion.    A trip to the Portsmouth,NH liquor store would require one to turn his watch back an hour. I'm happy as is and enjoy the summer sunset around 8:30  . If we were to go on perpetual standard time we would not only shorten the daylight evenings but sunrise would occur at 3:45 AM...that my sleeping time.

A georraphic trivia question.....

WHAT STATES HAVE THE EASTERN MOST AND WESTERN MOST POINTS IN OUR U.S.A.

[dammitbobby]

I love nothing more than sitting under an umbrella on Waikīkī beach with a genuine Coca Cola and just watching the people, boats, planes, etc. All day.
(Be aware: if you order a Coca Cola in a restaurant, you may get a “local cola,” which is a knock-off of genuine Coca Cola, using sugar cane sweetener, rather than high fructose corn syrup. Local cola does not taste very good, IMHO, as compared to genuine Coca Cola. Know before ya go!)
If you are there on a Friday, get a reservation at 53 By The Sea, for 7pm or 7:15pm. You’ll be enjoying your meal, looking out the windows back toward Waikīkī beach, while the Hilton hotel has a fireworks show at 7:45pm (every Friday). Women love that. Heck, I like it.
If you plan to go to a luau, I highly recommend the Paradise Cove luau. Fun pre-meal activities, great food, and a great show. Best one I’ve gone to. And I challenge you to find a place called the ABC Store. 😂 FYI, Hilo Hattie has moved into the Ala Moana Center (my favorite shirt store).
Enjoy the weather.

yeah who doesn't love ABC stores . Thanks for the suggestion on paradise cove luau, we did the one at the Royal Hawaiian the first time we went (probably 15 years ago), I pulled up ticket prices and quickly decided we weren't doing that one again. I'm not dropping 1k+ for one meal, vacation or not.

[dammitbobby]

Geographicaly Maine should be in the Alantic time zone, but with much commerce and travel between us and our New England neighbors, would cause confusion.    A trip to the Portsmouth,NH liquor store would require one to turn his watch back an hour. I'm happy as is and enjoy the summer sunset around 8:30  . If we were to go on perpetual standard time we would not only shorten the daylight evenings but sunrise would occur at 3:45 AM...that my sleeping time.

A georraphic trivia question.....

WHAT STATES HAVE THE EASTERN MOST AND WESTERN MOST POINTS IN OUR U.S.A.

When I was in the Air Force, I was stationed in Misawa, Japan, and it's so far north that in the summers, with the early sunrises, I could go walk 9 holes of golf and still be at work by 7am. I honestly don't remember if we switched between DST and standard or not. Was always a great way to start the day.

As for your question: Maine has the easternmost, and I think AK has the westernmost, if it's just states... I do know there is some weird exception where E/W are switched or something, need to look it up.

And different answers if you're talking about US States vs territories etc.

[ElvisLives]

Geographicaly Maine should be in the Alantic time zone, but with much commerce and travel between us and our New England neighbors, would cause confusion.    A trip to the Portsmouth,NH liquor store would require one to turn his watch back an hour. I'm happy as is and enjoy the summer sunset around 8:30  . If we were to go on perpetual standard time we would not only shorten the daylight evenings but sunrise would occur at 3:45 AM...that my sleeping time.

A georraphic trivia question.....

WHAT STATES HAVE THE EASTERN MOST AND WESTERN MOST POINTS IN OUR U.S.A.

Not an expert, but my internet search (which is AI, these days) tells me that some folks argue that Alaska has both, because some of the Aleutian Islands cross over the prime meridian. If you don’t count that, then Alaska is west-most, and Maine is east-most. I thought, maybe, some of the 137 Hawaiian islands might be west-most, but, I guess not.

[Grant - AR]

Did you try the Road to Hana? Took a shuttle bus tour of it. The scenery is certainly spectacular. But the ride on that, essentially, one lane road in a shuttle bus, riding along the edge of a cliff for much of it, is a bit butt-puckering. But it was a great experience.
Also did the sunrise experience on Haleakala. That was really cool. A bit cold, but worth it. Saw a Ahinahina (Silversword) plant blooming. They live up to 50 years, and only bloom once in their lifetime, then die. It was beautiful, even during standard time!
Hope you had a good time.

For clarification, went to Oahu and Kauai on this latest trip. Went to Maui in 2015.

We've been to Maui twice and done the Road to Hana both times.  The first time (3 years ago), I drove it with my wife.  We loved it.  This time we were with two other couples and my cousin's husband drove.  I thought it would be much better because I would be able to see more, but it wasn't.  I would prefer to drive it myself.  It's amazing though.  For anyone that's thinking about doing it, I would suggest getting started early...5:30 or before.  You will beat a lot of the traffic and it will be an easier, more relaxing drive.

The other two couples did the sunrise at Haleakala.  We were exhausted after our flights (and major screw ups by Delta getting us there a day later than scheduled) so we slept in.  We still got up and saw the sunrise from northeast of Kapalua at the blowhole.  We went to a Luau and went on two snorkeling/whale watching excursions.  It was a great week.

[Grant - AR]

Not an expert, but my internet search (which is AI, these days) tells me that some folks argue that Alaska has both, because some of the Aleutian Islands cross over the prime meridian. If you don’t count that, then Alaska is west-most, and Maine is east-most. I thought, maybe, some of the 137 Hawaiian islands might be west-most, but, I guess not.

I've heard the same about Alaska having both the eastern-most and western-most points in the US.

We went to Maine last year and the sunrise at Cadillac Mountain was awesome!!!

[ElvisLives]

We've been to Maui twice and done the Road to Hana both times.  The first time (3 years ago), I drove it with my wife.  We loved it.  This time we were with two other couples and my cousin's husband drove.  I thought it would be much better because I would be able to see more, but it wasn't.  I would prefer to drive it myself.  It's amazing though.  For anyone that's thinking about doing it, I would suggest getting started early...5:30 or before.  You will beat a lot of the traffic and it will be an easier, more relaxing drive.

The other two couples did the sunrise at Haleakala.  We were exhausted after our flights (and major screw ups by Delta getting us there a day later than scheduled) so we slept in.  We still got up and saw the sunrise from northeast of Kapalua at the blowhole.  We went to a Luau and went on two snorkeling/whale watching excursions.  It was a great week.

All good stuff. 

[riffraft]

We're going to Hono in June.  Haven't been there in probably 12 years or so.  We're looking forward to it!

Leaving in a couple of weeks for a 7 day 5 island hawaii cruise.

[Ralph Damren]

I've heard the same about Alaska having both the eastern-most and western-most points in the US.

We went to Maine last year and the sunrise at Cadillac Mountain was awesome!!!

You guys nailed it  !! Where the Aleutian Islands stretch beyond the International Dateline -which is the accepted demarcation between east and west - Alaska holds both distinctions. Arcadia National Park's Cadillac Mountain probably provides a better sunrise view than any of the Aleutians, though.