31
NCAA Discussion / Re: 2025 S-B Quiz 10
« Last post by TxJim on November 06, 2025, 12:19:30 PM »#2. Play clock at 40?
Recent Posts
32
NCAA Discussion / Re: What are....
« Last post by TampaSteve on November 06, 2025, 11:56:55 AM »Military guys may appreciate this (or not):
For whatever reason an asst coach was unhappy and complaining to our H and generally said something along the lines of:
"...well when I was a Capt in the Army....."
The H whipped around, went brim.to.brim and said "I'm a MGySgt (E9) in the Marine Corps (he was retired, but "once a marine", right). I out rank you so don't go and try an pull rank here."
Asst had a surprised look and walked away...
Halftime, I ask our H: I'm not a military guy, but if he's an officer, how do you out rank him?
H: lemme ask you something, how long you think it take to be a Capt?
Me: i donno, 5yr?
H: how long does it take to be an E9?
Me: i donno, 20yr?
H: I salute birds and stars.
For whatever reason an asst coach was unhappy and complaining to our H and generally said something along the lines of:
"...well when I was a Capt in the Army....."
The H whipped around, went brim.to.brim and said "I'm a MGySgt (E9) in the Marine Corps (he was retired, but "once a marine", right). I out rank you so don't go and try an pull rank here."
Asst had a surprised look and walked away...
Halftime, I ask our H: I'm not a military guy, but if he's an officer, how do you out rank him?
H: lemme ask you something, how long you think it take to be a Capt?
Me: i donno, 5yr?
H: how long does it take to be an E9?
Me: i donno, 20yr?
H: I salute birds and stars.
33
National Federation Discussion / Re: ING and 3-4-6
« Last post by bama_stripes on November 06, 2025, 07:33:48 AM »Random thoughts:
I like the previous spot enforcement change — it removed what was a big inequity between running play/ loose ball play enforcement behind the LOS.
Despite the mantra of “balance between offense and defense”, the NFHS pendulum has swung toward offense. It’s what the players and coaches want. The highest paid NFL/NCAA players are on offense.
Selfishly, as a WH I like the :40 clock. My ears appreciate not having to blow a RFP 100+ times per game.
Don’t forget that NCAA has recently adopted (in part) some NFHS safety-related rules.
NFHS would save themselves a lot of trouble if they would allow this forum to vet proposed rules changes and language.
I like the previous spot enforcement change — it removed what was a big inequity between running play/ loose ball play enforcement behind the LOS.
Despite the mantra of “balance between offense and defense”, the NFHS pendulum has swung toward offense. It’s what the players and coaches want. The highest paid NFL/NCAA players are on offense.
Selfishly, as a WH I like the :40 clock. My ears appreciate not having to blow a RFP 100+ times per game.
Don’t forget that NCAA has recently adopted (in part) some NFHS safety-related rules.
NFHS would save themselves a lot of trouble if they would allow this forum to vet proposed rules changes and language.
34
National Federation Discussion / Re: ING and 3-4-6
« Last post by GoodScout on November 05, 2025, 09:43:28 PM »I'll agree with your refutations of points 1 and 3 and challenge that #2 was a benefit- It takes a reward away from a defense that worked hard to cover all the receivers and beat out the blockers to reach the quarterback.
I'm not making the ridiculous case that the NCAA doesn't have good rules, or that a few of them could be of benefit at the high school level. But few of them are, and the NFHS Rules Committee's lapdog love for them has done nothing but make it more difficult to officiate the game. If you look at how complicated the NFL and NCAA rulebooks are, you can only imagine how screwed up newer high school officials can be when they start their careers.
35
National Federation Discussion / Re: ING and 3-4-6
« Last post by GoodScout on November 05, 2025, 09:41:15 PM »
1. 40 second play clock - unlike 100% of college game we do not have a visible play clock, strike 1
2. IG exception - that's OK with me
3. Enforcement of Offensive penalties behind LOS - So if a defensive lineman is about to sack the QB 14 yds behind the LOS and gets taken down the neforcement is from the previous spot? Sorry nut that's BS in high school, strike 2.
We're on the edge here and the absurd version of change wording that NFHS comes up with is probably strike 3.
I'll agree with your refutations of points 1 and 3 and challenge that #2 was a benefit- It takes a reward away from a defense that worked hard to cover all the receivers and beat out the blockers to reach the quarterback.
36
Texas Topics / Re: Coaches Box??
« Last post by Etref on November 05, 2025, 06:44:45 PM »Anyone else wonder why he was in the EZ?? Website list him as a football coach.
Could he be a coach from another school? Scouting, watching relative play, etc?
37
National Federation Discussion / Re: ING and 3-4-6
« Last post by dammitbobby on November 05, 2025, 05:34:32 PM »Texas has adopted a signal for 10-second runoff.... as long as the clock operator understands the signal, it should be no problem (or cost) in implementing the rule... now whether or not NFHS wants the rule is a different story; I'm just saying there's established ways for it to be done without a field mic.
'...The R extends both arms forward and slightly above shoulders with palms facing out and will flash all fingers on both hands towards the press box to signal a 10-second runoff is needed. This should be used when no microphone or other communication is available with the clock operator.'
'...The R extends both arms forward and slightly above shoulders with palms facing out and will flash all fingers on both hands towards the press box to signal a 10-second runoff is needed. This should be used when no microphone or other communication is available with the clock operator.'
38
National Federation Discussion / Re: ING and 3-4-6
« Last post by zebrastripes on November 05, 2025, 04:00:13 PM »How on God's green earth is adoping a rule from a higher level a "disservice" to HS athletes?
That's exactly my point. We at the NFHS level are not the minor league to the NFL. Holding behind the LOS IMHO should reflect the ACTUAL benefit gained by the hold + the 10 yard penalty. The NCAA is IMHO just that, the "minor leagues" for the NFL. Why even have an NFHS rule book if it's just a cut and paste, albeit with garbled language from the NCAA? No need for that and it does our high school athletes a disservice in my opinion. The NFL and the NCAA are driven by the 100's of millions of $ coming from TV rights and must fit their games into a pre-defined box. I've got no need for that at the high school level.
Most of them probably thought the adopted rule, was already the rule anyway, since the majoirty of HS coaches and players are completely clueless about NFHS rules and are basing their knowledge on NCAA/NFL. I can totally understand avoiding rules like the 10-second runoff and C2P communication out of cost concerns at the HS level, and I can understand certain rules (like the clock staying stopped on all OOB plays until the snap) being the way they are because the game is shorter and to avoid confusion/exceptions for a lower average skill level of game officials.
39
National Federation Discussion / Re: ING and 3-4-6
« Last post by NVFOA_Ump on November 05, 2025, 03:22:38 PM »I am happy to concede that the NFHS time and time again tries to get too cute with the way they word rule changes that come from the higher levels, instead of just freaking copying and pasting from the NCAA rule book (although NCAA wording has plenty of issues, too). While that certainly is fair to criticize, it doesn't mean that the rule changes in general are bad just because they come from a higher level.
That's exactly my point. We at the NFHS level are not the minor league to the NFL. Holding behind the LOS IMHO should reflect the ACTUAL benefit gained by the hold + the 10 yard penalty. The NCAA is IMHO just that, the "minor leagues" for the NFL. Why even have an NFHS rule book if it's just a cut and paste, albeit with garbled language from the NCAA? No need for that and it does our high school athletes a disservice in my opinion. The NFL and the NCAA are driven by the 100's of millions of $ coming from TV rights and must fit their games into a pre-defined box. I've got no need for that at the high school level.
40
National Federation Discussion / Re: ING and 3-4-6
« Last post by zebrastripes on November 05, 2025, 03:02:02 PM »1. So the 40-second clock is a bad rule change because most schools don't have visible play clocks? That doesn't make any sense. The NFHS has never suggested that schools go out and buy play clocks. If the back judge can time 25 seconds starting on the ready, he/she is perfectly capable of timing 40 seconds starting at the end of the previous play.
1. 40 second play clock - unlike 100% of college game we do not have a visible play clock, strike 1
2. IG exception - that's OK with me
3. Enforcement of Offensive penalties behind LOS - So if a defensive lineman is about to sack the QB 14 yds behind the LOS and gets taken down the neforcement is from the previous spot? Sorry nut that's BS in high school, strike 2.
We're on the edge here and the absurd version of change wording that NFHS comes up with is probably strike 3.
3. Almost all holding fouls by linemen start near the LOS. Prior to the rule change we were throwing the flag at spot of the takedown resulting in penalties that were far too punitive. In your example if it's a 1/10 play, it is plenty enough punishment - and easier to enforce consistently - for the next play to be 1/20 rather than 1/34. You don't have one crew marching the penalty off from where the hold started and another from where the takedown happened.
I am happy to concede that the NFHS time and time again tries to get too cute with the way they word rule changes that come from the higher levels, instead of just freaking copying and pasting from the NCAA rule book (although NCAA wording has plenty of issues, too). While that certainly is fair to criticize, it doesn't mean that the rule changes in general are bad just because they come from a higher level.