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Title: Fed Mechanics - On or Off the Line
Post by: TXMike on November 12, 2017, 07:37:57 PM
What Federation mechanics (or states that use Fed rules) say for flanks as to when to signal with arm back towards offensive backfield to indicate a player off the LOS?
Title: Re: Fed Mechanics - On or Off the Line
Post by: FLAHL on November 12, 2017, 07:55:08 PM
 Wings should "punch back" if the widest receiver on their side is off the LoS.
Title: Re: Fed Mechanics - On or Off the Line
Post by: TXMike on November 12, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
So only if the widest is back?  If there are twins and inside is back but outside if on, no signal?
Title: Re: Fed Mechanics - On or Off the Line
Post by: VA Official on November 12, 2017, 10:57:28 PM
Quote from: TXMike on November 12, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
So only if the widest is back?  If there are twins and inside is back but outside if on, no signal?

Correct.
Title: Re: Fed Mechanics - On or Off the Line
Post by: Ralph Damren on November 13, 2017, 07:13:04 AM
We have our wings tap their hat of both the wideout and slot back are on the LOS, indicating that the slot back is covered.

If both twins are off we have the wing hold out 2 fingers and wave them.

We ask our wings to hold their "off the line" signal until the ball is snapped or player(s) reset to be on the line.
Title: Re: Fed Mechanics - On or Off the Line
Post by: chriscwilson on November 13, 2017, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: TXMike on November 12, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
So only if the widest is back?  If there are twins and inside is back but outside if on, no signal?

In Michigan, if widest is off LOS, punch back.  If widest 2 are off, punch back and other hand straight up with 2 fingers.
Title: Re: Fed Mechanics - On or Off the Line
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on November 13, 2017, 03:00:16 PM
The way I was trained, many years ago now, the punch-back is designed to indicate to the opposite wing if the player on the far side is on-off the line to allow each wing official to get a correct count of men in the backfield.  The one (or two) that are tough to determine from the opposite side of the line are the widest players.  If one or more inside players are back with the split end up on the line the opposite wing can see that since they are "behind" the further out split end so we have no signal.  Given that, we've adopted a mechanic that if the end(s) is/are not on the line, we give a punch back fist for one in the backfield, and a two finger punch back for two "ends" in the backfield. If after the punch back is given the widest resets up on the line we give a fist to the chest signal.

Our supervisor also considers it a "miss" if we have a formation foul for more than 4 in the backfield but we don't have flags down on both wings.