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LBI
JugglingReferee:
Team A 3D/2 @ A-24. QB fumbles and an O-lineman dives to recover. B pushes O-lineman out of the way and recovers himself.
B is running for his glory defensive TD, and the ball is knocked out and it flies into the Team A EZ. Opposing players are running for the ball and Team A player yanks the B player out of the way by means of a horsecollar tackle. A then recovers in his own end zone.
Ruling?
110:
--- Quote from: JugglingReferee on October 02, 2010, 09:35:32 AM ---Team A 3D/2 @ A-24. QB fumbles and an O-lineman dives to recover. B pushes O-lineman out of the way and recovers himself.
B is running for his glory defensive TD, and the ball is knocked out and it flies into the Team A EZ. Opposing players are running for the ball and Team A player yanks the B player out of the way by means of a horsecollar tackle. A then recovers in his own end zone.
Ruling?
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A has first option as the first non-offending team.
A will want to take the LBI, or B gets the ball at the A10.
B will want to take the LBI, or A gets the ball 1/10 @ A24.
Now you have a dual foul situation. Non-distance fouls such as LBI are treated as offsetting 10-yard infractions in dual-foul situations.
UR still applies, and is unrestricted. Replay the down, 3D/17 at A-9.
JugglingReferee:
--- Quote from: Livin' in the pit on October 02, 2010, 10:26:59 PM ---A has first option as the first non-offending team.
A will want to take the LBI, or B gets the ball at the A10.
B will want to take the LBI, or A gets the ball 1/10 @ A24.
Now you have a dual foul situation. Non-distance fouls such as LBI are treated as offsetting 10-yard infractions in dual-foul situations.
UR still applies, and is unrestricted. Replay the down, 3D/17 at A-9.
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If A doesn't want the LBI, doesn't B get the ball at the A-25?
Do the LBIs really offset, or does the first LBI give A the ball and the second LBI move the PNS to the A-14. Then the UR takes the ball to the A-1.
110:
--- Quote from: JugglingReferee on October 03, 2010, 07:49:55 AM ---If A doesn't want the LBI, doesn't B get the ball at the A-25?
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8.4.1.a.4:
If an A player fumbles the ball in his own end zone, and while the ball is loose, Team
A commits illegal interference, thus preventing Team B from gaining possession of
the ball in the end zone:
Penalty Team B may accept rouge or a safety touch (1 or 2 points) as applicable
OR
Team B may take possession of the ball as 1st down at the PLS or the 10-yard (10
metre) line, whichever is closer to the goal line.
and 8.4.1.b.5
If the ball is loose in the Team B end zone, and Team B commits illegal interference, thus
preventing Team A from gaining possession of the ball in the end zone:
Penalty: Team A may take possession of the ball as 1st down at the B 10, or at the PLS
whichever is closer to the B goal line
--- Quote ---Do the LBIs really offset, or does the first LBI give A the ball and the second LBI move the PNS to the A-14. Then the UR takes the ball to the A-1.
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8..6.2.d.5:
If one of the dual fouls is a non-distance foul, it shall be applied as a 10-yard (10 metre)
penalty - e.g., Illegal FP Interference by Team B, less than 15 yds (15 metre) from PLS.
I'd lump LBI into that mix, as that's a POF application (non-distance foul.)
JugglingReferee:
--- Quote from: Livin' in the pit on October 03, 2010, 03:36:12 PM ---8.4.1.a.4:
If an A player fumbles the ball in his own end zone, and while the ball is loose, Team
A commits illegal interference, thus preventing Team B from gaining possession of
the ball in the end zone:
Penalty Team B may accept rouge or a safety touch (1 or 2 points) as applicable
OR
Team B may take possession of the ball as 1st down at the PLS or the 10-yard (10
metre) line, whichever is closer to the goal line.
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LOL My bad. I mis-read my own case. A LBI via a HC. The foul is possession at the A-10. I then applied the 15, but in the wrong direction! LOL
So then, it's B 1D/G @ A-1, n'est pas?
--- Quote from: Livin' in the pit on October 03, 2010, 03:36:12 PM ---8..6.2.d.5:
If one of the dual fouls is a non-distance foul, it shall be applied as a 10-yard (10 metre)
penalty - e.g., Illegal FP Interference by Team B, less than 15 yds (15 metre) from PLS.
I'd lump LBI into that mix, as that's a POF application (non-distance foul.)
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I would lump LBI into that mix as well. But I think the first LBI awards possession to A. The 2nd LBI is enforced as a 10y penalty. Then the UR.
We'd need to know where the 1st LBI occurred. Say it was 3y behind the LS. That's the A-21. LBI -> A-11. UR -> A-1.
I'm not sure that the 1st LBI awards possession to A, and negates the yardage within LBI that A committed.
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