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2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« on: December 02, 2021, 01:57:19 PM »
Did these quickly.
They put some judgment on us with some of these.


1. Free Kick @ A-35. Kicker A91 kicks a high pooch kick that lands near the boundary at the B-20 and bounces into the air. B80 runs toward the ball and bats it out of bounds at the B-25.
RULING: A, kickoff, A-45, free kick timing (25), OR  B, 1/10, B-25, snap (25).
B80 illegally bats the ball forward. The basic spot for fouls during a free kick play is the previous spot. If the 10-yard penalty is accepted, Team A will repeat the kickoff at the A-45. Team A could decline the penalty, and Team B would have the ball at the spot where the ball became dead (where it crossed the sideline - the B-25).

 
2. 2/10 @ A-25. Late in the game, QB A12 attempts to throw a swing pass out to back A44 from the A-19. The untouched pass lands at the A-18 and bounces toward the boundary. The ball rolls back to the A-16 near the boundary where A44 kicks the loose ball backwards and it goes directly out of bounds at the A-14. The clock reads 1:57 after the play.
RULING: A, 3/21, A-8, snap (25).
A44 commits a foul for illegally kicking the ball. The basic spot for this foul is the previous spot. Since the foul by the team in possession occurred behind the basic spot, the 10-yard (1/2 the distance) penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul (A-16), taking the ball to the A-8. The penalty also contains a Loss of Down; thus, the next down will be 3rd. Since the ball went out of bounds with less than 2 minutes on the game clock, the clock will next start on the snap.

 
3. 4/10 @ A-25. Team A lines up in scrimmage kick formation, and A90’s punt is partially blocked. The ball goes high into the air and lands at the A-28 and then rebounds back to the A-23 where upback A80 recovers the ball. With no whistle, A80 runs to the A-36 where he steps out of bounds.
RULING: B, 1/10, A-23, snap (25).
The blocking of the kick is inconsequential. Since the legally kicked ball crossed the neutral zone, A80’s recovery of the ball is illegal, causing the ball to become dead immediately. The game officials must stop all action, and place the ball at the A-23, and award a series to Team B. No delay of game foul should be ruled, due to the game officials’ failure to stop the action at the appropriate time.


4. 4/10 @ A-25. Team A lines up in scrimmage kick formation, and A90’s punt is partially blocked. The ball goes high into the air and lands at the A-28 where B50 muffs the kick and the ball rebounds behind the neutral zone. Upback A80 recovers the ball at the A-23. With no whistle, A80 runs to the A-36 where he steps out of bounds.
RULING: A, 1/10, A-23, snap (25).
The blocking of the kick is inconsequential. Since the legally kicked ball crossed the neutral zone, A’s series is broken, and B50’s muff of the recovery attempt removes the prohibition on Team A from touching the ball; thus, A80’s recovery of the ball is legal. However, A80’s possession of the legally kicked ball causes the ball to become dead immediately. The game officials must stop all action, and place the ball at the A-23, and award a series to Team A. No delay of game foul should be ruled, due to the game officials’ failure to stop the action at the appropriate time. Because of the legal kick down, the play clock is set to 25 seconds and starts on the referee’s signal, and the game clock next starts on the snap.


5. 4/10 @ A-25. Team A lines up in scrimmage kick formation, and A90’s punt is very low. B50 blocks the punt at the A-28 and the ball rebounds behind the neutral zone. Upback A80 recovers the ball at the A-23. With no whistle, A80 runs to the A-36 where he steps out of bounds.
RULING: A, 1/10, A-36, snap (25).
Because the blocking of the kick occurred within 3 yards of the neutral zone, the touching of the ball is ignored, and also means that the ball has not crossed the neutral. All players of both teams are eligible to catch/recover the ball; thus, A80’s recovery is legal, and his advance of the ball beyond the line-to-gain is legal, and results in a new series for Team A. Because of the legal kick down, the play clock is set to 25 seconds and starts on the referee’s signal, and the game clock next starts on the snap.


6. 1/10 @ A-40. On a run or pass option play, wide receiver A88 at the snap is positioned 12 yards to the right of the snapper. After the snap, A88 moves downfield and then returns toward the neutral zone. QB A12 is scrambling behind the line and has left the tackle box when A88 blocks B21 below the waist in the “10-to-2” region directly at B21’s front and toward Team A’s end line at the A-42. QB A12 runs to the B-48 where he steps out of bounds.
RULING: A, 1/23, A-27, ready(?) (25).
Because the ball has left the tackle box, no player may block below the waist toward their own end line; thus, A88’s block on B21 is illegal. The 15-yard penalty is enforced per 3 & 1 from the Basic Spot, which is the end of A12’s run. Since the foul is by the team in possession, and behind the Basic Spot, the penalty is enforced from the spot of the foul (A-42), taking the ball to the B-27, where the down will be repeated. There is insufficient information to affirmatively state clock status. But, the likelihood is that this down occurred outside of the last 2 minutes of either half; thus, the play clock will be set to 25 seconds (due to the completion of the penalty), and will start on the referee’s signal, and the game clock will next start on the referee’s signal. 


7. 1/10 @ A-25. Runner A44 takes a handoff and runs to the B-45 where he is tackled. During the down, B55’s helmet comes off at the line of scrimmage without a helmet foul by Team A. B55 immediately picks up his helmet, puts it on and continues to chase the ball carrier but is not in on the tackle.
RULING: A, 1/10, B-30, ready (25).
B55 commits a personal foul for continuing to participate in the down after losing his helmet. The 15-yard penalty is enforced at the end of the run (B-45), taking the ball to the B-30, where team A is awarded a new series. B55 may not participate in the next down.

 
8. 2/20 @ A-30. QB A12 drops back in the pocket and sets up to pass. He then scrambles to his right, sets up again and is in the passing posture when he is hit by B78 who drives his shoulder into A12’s knee at the A-25. A12 then pulls the ball in and goes to the ground at the A-26 because of being tackled by B78.
RULING: A, 1/10, A-45, ready (25).
Although the information provided is not conclusive as to whether or not A12 is in the tackle box when B78 contacts A12, since this is a safety foul, we should err on the side of safety. B78 commits a roughing the passer foul for forcibly contacting an offensive player in a passing posture at/below the knees (even though he does not actually make a pass). The 15-yard penalty is enforced, in this case, at the previous spot, taking the ball to the A-45, and includes a first down. The play clock is set to 25 seconds (due to the completion of the penalty), and both clocks will start on the referee’s signal.

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2021, 02:32:57 PM »
On number 8, being in the tackle box has no bearing on the foul. If he is in a passing posture he is protected.

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2021, 03:02:08 PM »
2.  A 3/27 A-8??

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2021, 03:05:45 PM »
On number 8, being in the tackle box has no bearing on the foul. If he is in a passing posture he is protected.

Yep. I shouldn't have missed that, but I did. Thanks.

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2021, 03:07:48 PM »
2.  A 3/27 A-8??

Yep. Bad math on my part. Thanks.

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2021, 07:34:45 PM »
Curious about 2. Should there be a choice for starting the clock on the RFP ?

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2021, 09:02:19 PM »
Curious about 2. Should there be a choice for starting the clock on the RFP ?

I have contended it it could, but others would say that the OB trumps the completion of the penalty, and would govern. The rule language is ambiguous on this point.


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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2021, 10:35:56 AM »
With fewer than 2 minutes in a half a Team A backward pass ruled OOB ,  clock starts on the snap.  Snap supersedes Referee Signal 3-3-2-f

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2021, 10:51:58 AM »
With fewer than 2 minutes in a half a Team A backward pass ruled OOB ,  clock starts on the snap.  Snap supersedes Referee Signal 3-3-2-f
In the absence of 3-4-3, totally concur. But 3-4-3 (under 2 minutes in a half) is ambiguous with respect to the offended team having the option to re-start the clock on the ready, in conditions when the clock would otherwise start on the snap. There are some circumstances in which the offended team just might want to let the clock run and get the half over ASAP.
I expect to get an authoritative answer on that issue within the next few days.

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2021, 11:12:33 AM »
I agree if the backward pass was intentionally thrown OOB to conserve time, but the question does not say that.  AR 3-4-3 III covers that.

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2021, 01:46:48 PM »
Directly from Shaw, moments ago. Wow, got this response in less than 2 hours.
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Robert –
The intent of the language in Rule 3-4-3 was not to allow the team ahead in the score to foul and consume more playing time than what they might otherwise.  Rule 3-3-2-f is still the guiding principle in starting the clock on he snap or the referee’s signal when there are multiple components involved.  In your play example, with the ball carrier out of bounds with fewer than 2 minutes remaining or an incomplete pass, the clock would start on the snap. 

Let me know if you have questions.

Steve Shaw
CFO National Coordinator of Football Officials
Secretary-Rules Editor, NCAA Football Rules Committee

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FYI, in the example I gave, I had a holding foul by A (ahead in score, in the last 2-minutes of the 2nd period), and the BC ran OB, in one scenario, and an incomplete legal forward pass in another scenario. So, no, the offended team does not have the ability to start the game clock on the ready, if it was otherwise, by rule, to start on the snap.
If 3-4-3 read, "If the game clock is stopped to complete a penalty for a foul by the team ahead in score (or either team if the score is tied) inside the last two minutes of a half, and it would otherwise next start on the read-for-play signal, it will start on the snap, at the option of the offended team." , that would eliminate any possible misunderstanding.

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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2021, 10:28:44 AM »
#1 was covered in video #14.  Shaw left out how the penalty was enforced in that particular game. The penalty was accepted and apparently incorrectly enforced from the spot of the illegal bat.  The result was B 1/10 B-14 with the bat occurring at the B-24 and the ball crossing the sideline at the B-26.


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Re: 2021 S-B Quiz Week 14
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2021, 11:59:01 AM »
#1 was covered in video #14.  Shaw left out how the penalty was enforced in that particular game. The penalty was accepted and apparently incorrectly enforced from the spot of the illegal bat.  The result was B 1/10 B-14 with the bat occurring at the B-24 and the ball crossing the sideline at the B-26.

Ouch. That is what has always been referred as a ‘catstrophic’ error (awarding the ball to the wrong team or awarding a score erroneously). Crew error.
2002 - had a game @ Hawaii. During the game Hawaii kicked off with a short kick, and an opponent did the same thing - batted the bounding ball forward and OB (he would have been creamed by some hard onrushing opponents if he didn’t). Our F called the batting foul, and our R (a great game manager, but not a great rules guy), announced that the penalty would be from the spot of the foul. Our H, and me (S) made a bee line for our R, and reminded him that this can only be penalized from the previous spot (since it was during a kickoff). He made an announcement of correction, and we had another kickoff, 10 yards ahead (maybe 15 - might have been before the penalty distance was changed). We got it right, as a crew.