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Offline lonnieritch1981

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Illegal Batting
« on: June 01, 2023, 11:05:28 AM »
Here's the situation: 4th & 7 @ B30.  A attempts a field goal and B25 leaps in the EZ and bats the kicked ball which rolls into the field of play and is recovered at the B5 by A75.  What are A's options?  One more: same as before, but this time the ball is recovered by B at the B5.  What are A's options?

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Re: Illegal Batting
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2023, 11:37:40 AM »
The first thing to ask yourself on these plays is “What is the natural result of the play?” Then determine the basic spot, then the enforcement.

In scenario one, the ball is dead and A is in legal possession of the ball when they recover it. Because batting is a 3-and-1 foul, we need 3 things: When did the foul occur (what type of play), who committed the foul, and where the foul was committed. This foul occurs during a scrimmage kick play. So now we have to determine if it meets the requirements for post scrimmage kick enforcement. Because Team B will not put the ball in play next, PSK does not apply. So now we apply the 3-and-1 principle. The basic spot for a scrimmage kick play is the previous spot. The foul was committed by the team not in possession, so the foul will be enforced from the previous spot. However, Team A is in legal possession, so they would just decline the penalty and have the ball 1st and goal at the B-5.

In the second scenario, Team B is in legal possession at the end of the down. The foul still occurs during a scrimmage kick play, but this time all PSK criteria are met. So the basic spot is the PSK spot. The kick ends in the field of play when it is possessed by Team B and none of the special cases in 2-25-11 apply, so the PSK is the end of the kick. The foul is committed by the team taken to be in possession and the foul is behind the basic spot, so it is enforced from the spot of the foul. Since this foul is in the end zone, the penalty is a safety.

One other note, PSK does not apply in extra periods. So if scenario 2 were to happen in OT, the penalty would be from the previous spot just like scenario 1.

Also, this is NOT an unfair act. The NFL counts the field goal in this scenario, NCAA does not. It is simply a foul for batting and you enforce as above.

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Re: Illegal Batting
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2023, 11:55:51 AM »
Very well done...clear and precise...very helpful. Now may I presume that had this ball remained in the EZ and been recovered by B it would be a safety and if recovered by A it would be a TD?

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Re: Illegal Batting
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2023, 12:12:42 PM »
If the ball was recovered in the end zone by A, it would be a touchdown because they are on legal possession in Team B’s end zone. If the ball was recovered by B in the end zone and became dead there, the result f the down would be a touchback. Team A’s kick was the impetus that put the ball in the end zone, so they are still responsible for the ball being there. But if it’s recovered by B, it doesn’t really matter where it’s recovered, because the penalty will still be a safety.

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Re: Illegal Batting
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2023, 12:32:05 PM »
Another very good, clearly defined reply. Thanks for the help on a rule that for some reason eludes me. Very helpful.