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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: The Ref Thats Lef on December 03, 2011, 06:15:42 PM
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Has anyone got the clip of the last but one TD by Southern Mississippi? (This amendment brought to you by the modify button).
I would love to get a clip to discuss airborne players.
From a quick glimpse the ball carrier jumps towards the endzone and the ball touches the ground but no part of the runner does until he is OOB. Would love to see it again to see if he is OOB before the ball is grounded ans therefore the ball should go back to an OOB spot and not be a touchdown.
As I said I only got a quick view and so I am not certain of what happened.
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where does the ball touch?
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Has anyone got the clip of the last but one TD by Mississippi State?
I believe you mean Southern Mississippi.
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IIRC, the ball crossed inside the pylon, and maybe even touched the ground in the endzone. ^good
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video: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7310709
Unfortunately, it ends before the slow mo moment of truth.
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Has anyone got the clip of the last but one TD by Mississippi State?
Mississippi didn't score, but Southern Miss did!
From a quick gimps the ball carrier jumps towards the endzone and the ball touches the ground but no part of the runner does until he is OOB. Would love to see it again to see if he is OOB before the ball is grounded ans therefore the ball should go back to an OOB spot and not be a touchdown.
Not even close. The ball passed inside the pylon, touched the ground in the EZ while in possession of the player, and then the player hit OOB. Since the ball went inside the pylon, where he landed is immaterial.
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I saw it as it happened and it was a great call, and great positioning by the S. No doubt the ball crossed in possession of the runner.
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I saw it as it happened and it was a great call, and great positioning by the S. No doubt the ball crossed in possession of the runner.
Agree. Awesome play by the runner. Awesome call by the official. I saw it on TV and in real time thought he was out but clearly the ball broke the plane.
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Official absolutely got the call right, but what took him so long? He watched the ball go inside the pylon, then turned and watched the runner go OOB and roll, even leaning in to watch him. Then he turns and looks at the H (which I understand) to check the sideline, and THEN he signals the TD. Why the turn to watch the runner hit OOB?
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Official absolutely got the call right, but what took him so long? He watched the ball go inside the pylon, then turned and watched the runner go OOB and roll, even leaning in to watch him. Then he turns and looks at the H (which I understand) to check the sideline, and THEN he signals the TD. Why the turn to watch the runner hit OOB?
Maybe keeping his eyes on the players as much as possible to ensure no late hits? Or excessive celebration? I thought he did it perfectly and just watched the replay on ESPN and it still looks great. He (the official) is backpedaling for most of the play but when he realizes he won't make the GL simultaneous with the player he turns at about the 10 and gets to GL perfectly and watches everything. Seems like this should be an instructional video. ^good
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Maybe keeping his eyes on the players as much as possible to ensure no late hits? Or excessive celebration? I thought he did it perfectly and just watched the replay on ESPN and it still looks great. He (the official) is backpedaling for most of the play but when he realizes he won't make the GL simultaneous with the player he turns at about the 10 and gets to GL perfectly and watches everything. Seems like this should be an instructional video. ^good
Concur. :thumbup
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Official absolutely got the call right, but what took him so long? He watched the ball go inside the pylon, then turned and watched the runner go OOB and roll, even leaning in to watch him. Then he turns and looks at the H (which I understand) to check the sideline, and THEN he signals the TD. Why the turn to watch the runner hit OOB?
It is never a bad thing to be slow, process everything and make 100% sure you have what you think you have.
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It is never a bad thing to be slow, process everything and make 100% sure you have what you think you have.
Amen
Let the mind digest what the eyes just saw.
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Amen
Let the mind digest what the eyes just saw.
A bit more digesting by the L in the LSU-Georgia game may have prevented a hiccup at the goal line
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the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KZ9cXwDjz4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KZ9cXwDjz4)
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Thanks Mike.
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An excellent piece of officiating by the S. That's a play for the weekly training tape you WANT to be on!
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Apparently I was misunderstood. I was NOT criticisizing the official, I was asking WHAT was he looking at after he saw the ball go inside the pylon that caused the SLIGHT delay? (Admitedly, it seemed longer yesterday when I was waiting for the call than it did today while watching the replay).
He was in position, he saw the play as he should, it just seemed like he turned to watch something after the score. He was absolutely correct in his call, and in his position, I just wasn't sure what else he would have been watching.
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Apparently I was misunderstood. I was NOT criticisizing the official, I was asking WHAT was he looking at after he saw the ball go inside the pylon that caused the SLIGHT delay? (Admitedly, it seemed longer yesterday when I was waiting for the call than it did today while watching the replay).
He was in position, he saw the play as he should, it just seemed like he turned to watch something after the score. He was absolutely correct in his call, and in his position, I just wasn't sure what else he would have been watching.
He did exactly what he, and any good sideline official should and would do - he looked back to make sure his sideline partner didn't have something different from what he was about to rule; i.e, perhaps his partner had the bc stepping OB. So, he checked, got nothing contradictory, and followed through with his ruling. That's the way it is done. Great work.
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He did exactly what he, and any good sideline official should and would do - he looked back to make sure his sideline partner didn't have something different from what he was about to rule; i.e, perhaps his partner had the bc stepping OB. So, he checked, got nothing contradictory, and followed through with his ruling. That's the way it is done. Great work.
That part I got, as H was watching the sideline. It was the watching of the runner going to the ground that I couldn't understand. It was almost as if he was looking to see if possession was maintained, which at that point, wouldn't have been necessary. SCROLL TO SEE THE OFFICIAL. DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE PICTURE SMALLER(http://i39.tinypic.com/f1cb5y.jpg)
One MINOR issue: our officials are told to square up to the goal line for their TD signal, not to the players.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2cfefwk.jpg)
Again, I think he made a good call from a good position. I'm just trying to learn what his process was.
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That part I got, as H was watching the sideline. It was the watching of the runner going to the ground that I couldn't understand. It was almost as if he was looking to see if possession was maintained, which at that point, wouldn't have been necessary.
One MINOR issue: our officials are told to square up to the goal line for their TD signal, not to the players.
Again, I think he made a good call from a good position. I'm just trying to learn what his process was.
I don't think he's watching possession. I think he's just keeping eyes on opposing players that have gone OOB behind him. I've been taught to do that. What if the scorer tosses the ball to D and you've turned away? What if the D slugs the scorer and you've turned away. He waits and turns his head away when the players have space between them. Then he checks with his co official to make sure the runner never stepped out. At least, that's what I think.
Yeah, the minor issue, you're right. I still think this is a training video call that I'd be very happy with were I the S.
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This S has a pretty good family tree. His dad was the S in Super Bowl XLIII (Steelers vs Cardinals) and he called the winning catch by Santonio Holmes. If anyone has a video of that catch, I think you'll see dad take his time making that call.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjv5ckLfDVA Looked like FJ was pretty quick on it.
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OK, I stand corrected on both "dad's" position (F not S) and his deliberateness in making a signal. Nonetheless, it's a pretty good lineage for S in the C-USA championship game.
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Yeah, I was thinking that SB call was kind of quick actually. Correct, but quick.
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Intrestingly enough, the F in this C-USA game has a father also in the NFL
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I would only have a minor critique on the official here. Some of yall more experienced guys can correct me if I say something wrong here, but I was taught coming up as a baseball official that you never want to make a call while moving. Is that the same in football as well? I would think even more so becuase the OOB line kills a play whereas in baseball, the line is still IN PLAY. If you're moving, you've got a lot of moving parts(eyes, head, etc) to process instead of staying still and seeing the play. If I had one critique to make, I would have suggested this guy stop running and plant before the runner got to the pylon. Again, someone correct me if im wrong on this assumption
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Well, it's best not to make a call while moving, but he also needs to get to the goal line ahead of the runner. Since the latter is the more important of the two, sometimes you have to make it while moving.
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One MINOR issue: our officials are told to square up to the goal line for their TD signal, not to the players.
Why? In the history of football, the goal line has never committed a foul. Looking over one's shoulder may work, but is awkward. There is nothing magical about squaring to the goal line. Better to stay open to the players, particulalrly the scoring player, for a spike, throwing the ball, taunting, or getting creamed by an opponent.
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I would only have a minor critique on the official here. Some of yall more experienced guys can correct me if I say something wrong here, but I was taught coming up as a baseball official that you never want to make a call while moving. Is that the same in football as well? I would think even more so becuase the OOB line kills a play...
I call baseball also and I'll just say this. The S HAS to move 35 to 40 yards on this play. He does all but 8 of those yard BACKWARDS. Then he does STOP when he gets to the goal line and watches everything he needs to while as still as possible. As for the OOB line, that's where he looks for some help from his co-official. When we do 5 man, there is no S but on a long play like this, I would give the BJ a fist to signal that the runner was in bounds the entire way.
Now, as for baseball officials, I've seen plenty that don't move 40 yards during an entire game.
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I call baseball also and I'll just say this. The S HAS to move 35 to 40 yards on this play. He does all but 8 of those yard BACKWARDS. Then he does STOP when he gets to the goal line and watches everything he needs to while as still as possible. As for the OOB line, that's where he looks for some help from his co-official. When we do 5 man, there is no S but on a long play like this, I would give the BJ a fist to signal that the runner was in bounds the entire way.
Now, as for baseball officials, I've seen plenty that don't move 40 yards during an entire game.
Point taken, thats why I asked. aWaRd
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The play was included onthis week's CFO videos and the official received major props from RR for his work here
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Is there a link to those CFO videos? I call HS football but would like to watch the videos.
Do I have to register somewhere?
Can I only see them if I'm an NCAA offical?
Thanks in advance.
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You have to be a member of the CFO to view the videos, so level of football officiated is not a factor - willingness to pay the $100 is, though.
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If you happen to be TASO, you can get it for $25
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Got your PM Hank. Just go to the CFO website and register as TASO for the reduced fee. Supposed to get all the goodies (mechanics manual, patches, rule book) as the full fare members, but I never did.
Oops. Just went to the registration site and registration is closed until June 2012.
https://www.arbitersports.com/front/104777/Site/PageContent/Registration
Best regards,
Brad
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Thanks TXSky. Oh well, I guess I'll wait.
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I have a hunch if you go to the clinics in the Spring and Summer you will get to see them (and with any luck you might get to see them via http://tasofb.wordpress.com even before then)