timing dispute

[wv ref]

I am having a disagreement with  a fellow official on what i think to be a standard  situation.  Can yall help either correct my ways or enlighten my fellow official.   Thanks!

A passes to a82 b26 pushes a82 and catches the ball and get tackled in bounds is the clock on the ready or snap.

I say snap because there was a COP he says ready since COP was nullified.   Whom is correct?

[AlUpstateNY]

I would think it depends on what the clock status was when the play in which the pass was thrown, began, presuming the penalty is accepted, after enforcement the down would be repeated.

[Ralph Damren]

A good rule of : If teams have to change their units...IE....offense off - defense in; kicking off- offense back in, etc. clock will start on the snap. In your OP there wasn't a COP, so on the RFP as long as nothing else occurred to shut it down. Same would occur with dueling COPs ...A fumbles to B, B returns favor and fumbles back to A = B doesn't have a new series = RFP. Exception : Previous spot penalty before fair catch and no new series gained.

[Rulesman]

I am having a disagreement with  a fellow official on what i think to be a standard  situation.  Can yall help either correct my ways or enlighten my fellow official.   Thanks!

A passes to a82 b26 pushes a82 and catches the ball and get tackled in bounds is the clock on the ready or snap.

I say snap because there was a COP he says ready since COP was nullified.   Whom is correct?

You are overthinking COP. What action caused the ball to become dead? It was a completed pass where the player in possession of the ball when the down ended was tackled inbounds. Team A accepts the DPI so the clock starts on the RFP. If Team A declined the penalty (obviously they wouldn't) and B were next to put the ball in play by virtue of the turnover, then it would be on the snap.

[Atlanta Blue]

I would think it depends on what the clock status was when the play in which the pass was thrown, began, presuming the penalty is accepted, after enforcement the down would be repeated.

Once the ball is snapped and a play is run, the status of the clock on the previous play is meaningless.  It would only matter if a play was never run (false start, snap infraction, encroachment, etc.).  What stopped the clock on THIS play?  The penalty stopped the clock, no other major clock stopper, so start on the RFP.

[AlUpstateNY]

I stand corrected, thank you.

[theunofficialofficial]

The status of the clock won't change because the result of the play doesn't contain a COP. A is still in possession after the administration of all penalties. Thus what was the status of the clock at the end of the down - running. Therefore the clock will start on the RFP.

If B26 had been tackled out of bounds then the clock was stopped due to the player being out of bounds as opposed to the penalty. So after the administration of all penalties the clock would start on the snap.

[Patrick E.]

Same would occur with dueling COPs ...A fumbles to B, B returns favor and fumbles back to A = B doesn't have a new series = RFP. Exception : Previous spot penalty before fair catch and no new series gained.

Or if A threw an illegal forward pass after regaining possession = Snap

[Ralph Damren]

Or if A threw an illegal forward pass after regaining possession = Snap

IMHO, If A threw an illegal forward pass after regaining possession, the clock would only start with the snap if the IFP landed incomplete (3-4-3e).

[fudilligas]

A good rule of : If teams have to change their units...IE....offense off - defense in; kicking off- offense back in, etc. clock will start on the snap. In your OP there wasn't a COP, so on the RFP as long as nothing else occurred to shut it down. Same would occur with dueling COPs ...A fumbles to B, B returns favor and fumbles back to A = B doesn't have a new series = RFP. Exception : Previous spot penalty before fair catch and no new series gained.

That is a simple way to understand.  New unit on the field, on the snap.  Seems to make it easy.