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Title: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: bossman72 on December 21, 2017, 11:48:00 PM
If anybody has a copy of the NFHS manual...

Is it an official mechanic for the R to signal TD to the press box after say, a 10 yard run into the end zone where the LJ signals the actual touchdown?  Is that in the manual anywhere?  If so, why do we do it when it's an obvious TD?
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: GA Umpire on December 22, 2017, 12:12:45 AM
If anybody has a copy of the NFHS manual...

Is it an official mechanic for the R to signal TD to the press box after say, a 10 yard run into the end zone where the LJ signals the actual touchdown?  Is that in the manual anywhere?  If so, why do we do it when it's an obvious TD?

Page 48 of the 2016/17 manual, under Goal Line Plays.

The reason given is to "verify score".
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: BIG UMP on December 22, 2017, 08:09:01 AM
The only time I echo a TD signal unless there is a pile and I'm not sure if the press box saw the initial signal.  PATs and FGs are all I consistently echo.
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: AlUpstateNY on December 22, 2017, 09:26:35 AM
As GA Umpire suggests, and page 48 of the Official Manual confirms, considering the amount of time an initial TD signal by a covering official may be subsequently negated by some action separate and/or apart from the actual scoring action, the confirmation and verification of the score by the Referee, serves to eliminate doubt and sanction the score.
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: Ralph Damren on December 22, 2017, 09:56:04 AM
As GA Umpire suggests, and page 48 of the Official Manual confirms, considering the amount of time an initial TD signal by a covering official may be subsequently negated by some action separate and/or apart from the actual scoring action, the confirmation and verification of the score by the Referee, serves to eliminate doubt and sanction the score.

I THINK I SAW THAT IN LAST WEEK'S PATRIOT GAME ;) :D ;D :P :-\

 ^no ^no ^no ^no ^no ^no ^no
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: KWH on December 26, 2017, 04:21:30 PM
2016 AND 2017
NFHS FOOTBALL GAME OFFICIALS MANUAL
Page 48
GOAL LINE PLAY
I. REFEREE
C...After checking with crew, if no foul occurred, give touchdown signal (S #5), while facing press box to verify score.   
^good
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: yarnnelg on January 05, 2018, 11:08:14 PM
Just for clarity sake.

Wings, the signal is at the goal line, not the five yard line and not while running to the goal line.
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: KWH on January 12, 2018, 12:39:28 PM
Just for clarity sake.

Wings, the signal is at the goal line, not the five yard line and not while running to the goal line.

So...A wing sporting a finger whistle, jogging, with one hand in the air (Signal 7), blowing his whistle with the other hand while continuing to jog all the way to the 15,
then 10 yards, stopping and proudly signalling TD from the 5! 

Sure shows up on HUDL when they do that?   :puke:
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: Ralph Damren on January 15, 2018, 09:03:02 AM
When I was beginning (when Nixon was beginning to be pres), only the referee could signal first downs & touchdowns.

When I became a referee, I followed my elders.

I still signal both, probably out of habit, but I also feel that it adds finality to a play that may have differing opinions between covering officials z^ ^good z^ ^no, or a  ^flag that will bring the play back

 ^good ^talk ^good ^TD
Title: Re: R TD mechanic NFHS Manual
Post by: AlUpstateNY on January 15, 2018, 10:28:08 AM
To get back to the original question, "If so, why do we do it when it's an obvious TD?", because the Official's Manual has said so (likely since before Nixon's service) up to and including the present.  The Referee's signal certifies the score.