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National Federation Discussion / Re: New Kick Penalty Rule
« Last post by KWH on Today at 10:50:40 AM »
I feel certain that this has been overlooked and not the intent of this rule, however, the rule reads during a kick 'down'...not during the kick.  Why did they choose the word 'down' in this rule?  With that, it means ANY K foul during the 'entire down', not just the kick part.
So, K punts from the K30. R22 catches punt at R20, runs to the R30, where K80 commits a facemask penalty and causes R22 to fumble.  R44 recovers the fumble and runs to the 50 where he is tackled. 
Because K fouled during the 'down', this foul can be tacked on from the succeeding spot, 50yd, and R will get the ball at the K35.

This cannot be the intent, but is exactly what the rule reads currently.  Has there been any word to the contrary?

This was the intent of the rule which is why the rule reads the way it does.  Restated, the rule is in effect for ANY Live Ball K foul during the down.
Yes, in your play the succeeding spot is the 50. Enforce the FM foul from there.
Note that in your play if R22 had been Facemasked but not fumbled,  continued on, and returned the ball to the 50, the FM penalty would also be enforced from the 50.

What am I missing???
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Punt play and clock status
« Last post by Badger1 on Today at 09:08:19 AM »
PSK does not apply as the foul on R was behind the LOS.  Offsetting fouls, replay the down and clock starts on the ready. 
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National Football League / Re: Defensive strategy at end of game
« Last post by bbeagle on Today at 08:45:50 AM »
The drawback that I see is B holds the linemen and receivers what is to stop a design run or draw play?

Yeah the clock runs down but they may score unabated

The corners and safeties just hold/tackle the receivers.

The rest of the defense stop everything else. You're just making sure a pass won't work. There's no way to score unabated.

The whole idea is to not allow the offense to score a touchdown. And cheating is okay, since any penalties don't matter because time can't be added to the clock in NFL or NFHS rules. I have yet to see the exact wording of the NCAA ruling.
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National Federation Discussion / Punt play and clock status
« Last post by Stinterp on Today at 08:21:13 AM »
4th and 10 from the 50 yard line.  Team K punter is roughed by R-50 just after kicking the ball. During the kick, K-15 is flagged for an illegal block below the waist at the R-40 yard line. The ball rolls to a stop in the field of play at the R-20 and the official blows his whistle. What are the options and what is the clock status?
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National Federation Discussion / Re: Bill Lemonnier DVD
« Last post by HLinNC on Yesterday at 08:59:25 PM »
I purchased it.  It was fairly well done.  The videos selected are clear. 

I was disappointed in the constant misspelling of the word "philosophies" in the graphics.  Small thing but given that officials graded on our appearance I would have hoped that someone caught that goof before it went to burning.
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National Football League / Re: Defensive strategy at end of game
« Last post by Legacy Zebra on Yesterday at 07:36:05 PM »
Last year in a bulletin and then this year in the mechanics manual.
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Rules you would change if you could....
« Last post by Joe Stack on Yesterday at 03:30:03 PM »
I would make it to where the only times the ready is given without the clock starting is on a) new possessions, b) after a TO and c) other situations to correct an equitable situation (i.e. abuse of timing rules). The whole clock stops on incomplete passes and doesn't start until the snap thing goes back to the days where teams pass 5-7 times a game COLLECTIVELY. We've been out of that cave for decades. Then I would add a 2 minute warning to each half.

I would also add a 40 point mercy rule much like TAPPS. 30 point for subvarsity -- at least in the 4th quarter.

Not a rule change but a CLEAR directive: the time between the end of a try and the kickoff is not a timeout but an intermission. One that should take no more than 40 seconds. The 40 second clock should start at the end of the try down and at the end of that 40, the ready for play (25) should be whistled immediately. It is a little different than the use of normal time clock procedures but there's no reason why we can't do this. My goodness, teams huddle prior to all kickoffs like they've never done it before. They score 10 TDs in a game, they still huddle.
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National Football League / Re: Defensive strategy at end of game
« Last post by bbeagle on Yesterday at 12:40:42 PM »
Also, the clock should be reset to the time of the snap and start on the next snap.

I've never heard that time could be added to the clock in NCAA as part of penalty enforcement. When was this added?
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National Football League / Re: Defensive strategy at end of game
« Last post by goodgrr on Yesterday at 01:40:40 AM »
The NFL have made it illegal too, unfortunately only on the 2nd and subsequent occasion.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2016/11/15/13637126/49ers-saints-holding-penalty-play-nfl-rule-change
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National Football League / Re: Defensive strategy at end of game
« Last post by Legacy Zebra on July 18, 2018, 09:04:44 PM »
Not sure about the NFL, but the NCAA has classified this as an unfair act. All players who intentionally hold or foul during the down are charged with a UNS foul. Also, the clock should be reset to the time of the snap and start on the next snap.
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