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National Federation Discussion / Re: Clock will start on the ____________?

« Last post by ncwingman on Today at 12:31:00 PM »

Because people misinterpret the rule as written.  People think on an interception that the result of the play is B being awarded a new series.  So if we call defensive holding and give the ball back to the offense, people want to go on the snap because "you go on the snap on a change of possession".  This small change clarifies that that is not the case.

Now you're making me question myself here -- who is misinterpreting the rule as written? 5-1-2a seems pretty clear that a new series is only awarded after considering the effect of any act during the down, notably that live ball foul. Decline the foul and you award a new series, enforce the foul and you don't. I'm doing it right, correct?

I still feel that the attempt at clarification may only lead to more confusion, because it implies that they can be awarded a series but not have the ball. If anything, maybe replace "B/K is awarded a new series" with "B/K is next to snap the ball" rather than having both phrases.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Clock starting following a legal kick down

« Last post by ElvisLives on January 23, 2025, 08:51:21 PM »

And similarly regarding a score, if Team A commits ING in their end zone late in the game, B could accept the foul for a safety, take the 10 second runoff, then the clock would start on the RFP on A’s free kick. As strange as that sounds, is that correct?

Yes. 3-4-4-VIII covers this. That one would actually be far more probable than the ING after a legal kick play during a down.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Clock starting following a legal kick down

« Last post by TxBJ on January 23, 2025, 08:28:56 PM »

And similarly regarding a score, if Team A commits ING in their end zone late in the game, B could accept the foul for a safety, take the 10 second runoff, then the clock would start on the RFP on A’s free kick. As strange as that sounds, is that correct?

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Clock starting following a legal kick down

« Last post by ElvisLives on January 23, 2025, 08:03:19 PM »

Team A is trailing by two in Q4 when their 3rd down field goal try is blocked and remains behind the LOS. Team A player picks up the ball and immediately throws it forward into the ground. Flag for ING with 0:12 on the clock and Team B accepts the 10 second runoff. Clock status?  Not a likely scenario but unless I’m mistaken it takes away the “absolute”.

Yeah, I should know better than to claim any absolutes, and you clearly conjured an exception. So, an incomplete illegal forward pass (which includes ING) or a backward pass thrown OB with less than 2 minutes in the 2nd or 4th periods would certainly qualify for a 10SS, and for the game clock to start on the snap. And that would supersede the kick down timing rules.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: Clock starting following a legal kick down

« Last post by TxBJ on January 23, 2025, 04:25:16 PM »

For those that work NCAA rules as well as other sets of rules, please understand that when there is a legal kick made during a down (free kick or scrimmage kick), if the next down will start by snap, the game clock will start on the snap. Period. Regardless of which team will put the ball in play, or what else happened during the down, including a legal forward pass (before or after the legal kick), foul(s), etc. One of the few absolutes in NCAA football.

Team A is trailing by two in Q4 when their 3rd down field goal try is blocked and remains behind the LOS. Team A player picks up the ball and immediately throws it forward into the ground. Flag for ING with 0:12 on the clock and Team B accepts the 10 second runoff. Clock status?  Not a likely scenario but unless I’m mistaken it takes away the “absolute”.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: TV timeouts

« Last post by ElvisLives on January 23, 2025, 11:57:18 AM »

It appears to me (strictly as a viewer) that NCAA (unfortunately) is going the way of the old NFL model:
XP — Long commercial break — Kickoff — Long commercial break

It’s why I don’t watch games in real time anymore.  I start watching 45-60 minutes after kickoff, FF through commercials & halftime, and by the mid-4th quarter, I’m caught up.

Another difference from my days in FBS. Going to commercial after a kickoff was not allowed. And both teams got a possession (unless the team first in possession scored) before the first commercial break in each half. TV, NIL, the transfer portal, and betting sites are killing college football.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: TV timeouts

« Last post by bama_stripes on January 23, 2025, 08:17:34 AM »

It appears to me (strictly as a viewer) that NCAA (unfortunately) is going the way of the old NFL model:
XP — Long commercial break — Kickoff — Long commercial break

It’s why I don’t watch games in real time anymore.  I start watching 45-60 minutes after kickoff, FF through commercials & halftime, and by the mid-4th quarter, I’m caught up.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: When in doubt, philosophies for High School Football

« Last post by Ralph Damren on January 22, 2025, 12:31:07 PM »

Good news for those that are asking... the "AIN'T SURE" page will return in the 2026-2027 Game Officials Manual. Until then, one may reference the 2022-2023 Manual

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NCAA Discussion / Re: TV timeouts

« Last post by ElvisLives on January 22, 2025, 10:53:53 AM »

I started this discussion because there is a similar discussion on the NFHS site that indicates different rules/procedures with those rules. Just wanted to remind NCAA guys as to when the clock starts after time outs with media extensions.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: TV timeouts

« Last post by Grant - AR on January 22, 2025, 09:20:31 AM »

This sounds morbid, but we loved injuries because they were opportunities to burn TV timeouts without stealing player time. I would always look to the red hat and encourage him to get the producer to take a T/O.

Towards the end of the season this year, we had some producers who told us they would not be taking media breaks when there is an injury.  When asked why, they said they had been told the people watching at home, who had a vested interest in the injured player, didn't want to see commercials and not know what was happening to their son, brother, friend, etc.