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NCAA Discussion / Re: Very Interesting Down in D3 Championship game - need some help
« Last post by ElvisLives on February 24, 2025, 10:41:14 AM »Has there been a reply or other developments?
No. I’m shocked. 😳
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No. I’m shocked. 😳
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NCAA Discussion / Re: Very Interesting Down in D3 Championship game - need some help
« Last post by Morningrise on February 24, 2025, 08:55:04 AM »Has there been a reply or other developments?
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General Discussion / Re: When sports turn to politics.....
« Last post by dammitbobby on February 24, 2025, 08:24:16 AM »From what I have seen/heard/read, for many (including me) the issue isn't whether or not the student should or should not compete in girls' competition ( I believe they shouldn't), but that the legislator essentially doxxed the student, opening them up for public vitriol and threats.
Boy or girl, gay/straight/trans/whatever, no child deserves to get hatemail and threats, for any reason, and I am critical of those who enable that against a kid.
Boy or girl, gay/straight/trans/whatever, no child deserves to get hatemail and threats, for any reason, and I am critical of those who enable that against a kid.
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General Discussion / Re: When sports turn to politics.....
« Last post by Ralph Damren on February 24, 2025, 07:04:33 AM »Your posts remind me of a war story told by an adimistrator from Vermont several years ago at our NFHS Rules Committee meeting. This occurred at their state field hockey meeting.....
SCENE : One school had a foreign exchange student (boy) that was an avid field hockey player.
ACT I : His coach announced that a boy would be playing on their field hockey team.
ACT II : The above mentioned admistrator responded, " That's fine, although your team would need to compete in the 'coed league'"![8]](http://www.refstripes.com/forum/Smileys/classic/cool.gif "Cool")
ACT III : Coach, " But we don't have one
"
ACT IV : Admistrator, " We would now, and your team being the only one, would win the state championship. Where less than 20% of the schools have such a team, you would need to pay for said trophy 
.
ACT V : The coach sat down and the boy played football (and was quite good).
EPILOGUE : Maine's defination of gender can be determined by the student's declaratin
. The gov.'s supporters are attacking the state senator (R) who brought this to light. 'Shooting the messenger' reminds me of Linda Tripp's bringing attention of the presidental stain 
on Monica's party dress.
STAY TUNED
SCENE : One school had a foreign exchange student (boy) that was an avid field hockey player.
ACT I : His coach announced that a boy would be playing on their field hockey team.
ACT II : The above mentioned admistrator responded, " That's fine, although your team would need to compete in the 'coed league'"
ACT III : Coach, " But we don't have one
"ACT IV : Admistrator, " We would now, and your team being the only one, would win the state championship
. Where less than 20% of the schools have such a team, you would need to pay for said trophy .ACT V : The coach sat down and the boy played football (and was quite good
).EPILOGUE : Maine's defination of gender can be determined by the student's declaratin
. The gov.'s supporters are attacking the state senator (R) who brought this to light. 'Shooting the messenger' reminds me of Linda Tripp's bringing attention of the presidental stain on Monica's party dress.STAY TUNED
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General Discussion / Re: When sports turn to politics.....
« Last post by ilyazhito on February 23, 2025, 09:08:48 AM »I agree. People who were born male have an advantage over people who were born female, because the former males will have a male musculoskeletal system. This will provide them with an unfair biological advantage when competing with biological females. Players were actually injured by Blaire (Brayden) Fleming's spikes, because they were MUCH harder than hits from other female volleyball players. Lia Thomas had an unfair advantage over female swimmers, because she was taller than many of them and had more powerful arm and leg muscles than them due to growing up as a boy and later a man.
For safety reasons alone, former males should not compete directly against women in a women's division. They should be in an open/co-ed category with current men and women, where there is either a lower safety risk (non-contact sports), or ALL participants are informed of the risks and have taken appropriate precautions. This is not to mention the Title IX requirements that both men and women should have access to educational opportunities, including sports. If trans people (people born male who became female and people born female who became male) will want access to sports under Title IX, we will need to accommodate them by creating a 3rd category, which would in some cases involve cuts to the other parts of the male and female athletic programs.
For safety reasons alone, former males should not compete directly against women in a women's division. They should be in an open/co-ed category with current men and women, where there is either a lower safety risk (non-contact sports), or ALL participants are informed of the risks and have taken appropriate precautions. This is not to mention the Title IX requirements that both men and women should have access to educational opportunities, including sports. If trans people (people born male who became female and people born female who became male) will want access to sports under Title IX, we will need to accommodate them by creating a 3rd category, which would in some cases involve cuts to the other parts of the male and female athletic programs.
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General Discussion / Re: When sports turn to politics.....
« Last post by ElvisLives on February 23, 2025, 07:10:16 AM »To allow genetic males to compete as females is simply wrong on all levels. All the hormones on the planet can't change genetics, and a person born as a genetic male simply has a body equipped for greater physical accomplishments than genetic females. Certainly, many genetic females can out-perform many genetic males. But no genetic female can outperform highly trained genetic males. The handful of genetic females that have attempted to complete with/against genetic males at the highest levels of athletic sports have had no success. How many genetic females are players in the NFL? MLB? NBA? NHL? MLS? PGA? On and on. Those organizations do not prevent females from attempting to compete. They are welcome to try. But, they just can't compete at that level.
There have been some genetic females that have had limited success at traditionally male sports in collegiate organizations. But they represent a fraction of a fraction of 1% of all athletes playing athletic sports.
This is not to say that women's sports are not exciting and enjoyable. Quite the contrary. Female basketball, in particular, can be very exciting. But, even the best WNBA players couldn't make an NBA roster. Same for any other professional athletic sport. If I recall, some time back, an under-15 Boys soccer team beat the US national women's team during the women's team workup to the World Cups.
For professional sports, if the WNBA, etc., wants to allow genetic males to compete in their leagues, go for it. They know what they are getting into. But, collegiate and lower levels of sports must keep the sexes separated.
There have been some genetic females that have had limited success at traditionally male sports in collegiate organizations. But they represent a fraction of a fraction of 1% of all athletes playing athletic sports.
This is not to say that women's sports are not exciting and enjoyable. Quite the contrary. Female basketball, in particular, can be very exciting. But, even the best WNBA players couldn't make an NBA roster. Same for any other professional athletic sport. If I recall, some time back, an under-15 Boys soccer team beat the US national women's team during the women's team workup to the World Cups.
For professional sports, if the WNBA, etc., wants to allow genetic males to compete in their leagues, go for it. They know what they are getting into. But, collegiate and lower levels of sports must keep the sexes separated.
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General Discussion / When sports turn to politics.....
« Last post by Ralph Damren on February 23, 2025, 06:19:24 AM »I'm proud to be a Mainer 
. I'm not proud of our governor
SCENE: State Indoor Track Championship. Last year a 'kid' (I didn't want to use an improper pronoun) finished 5th in the BOY's pole vault. This year the same kid won the gold in the GIRL's pole vault , beating the runnerup by 6 inches. Many Mainers recalled our president issued a Exec. Order outlawing such. Many Mainers also recalled that in mere moments after the EO the NCAA fully agreed.
ACT I : Word spread quickly to D.C. of the 'kid's' gold medal. Maine's Gov. Mills (who I didn't vote for) stood firm on the belief that a kid can decide if he's a boy or girl .
ACT II : Our governor attended the National Governor's Confrence in D.C. President Trump (who I did vote for) spoke to them. 
ACT III : A showdown began (on national news). Ending with pres threating to withhold federal funds
while gov said she would take him to court 
.
EPILOGUE : It is estimated that 85%+ of we Mainers agree with President Trump on this. Our U.S. Congressman, Jarett Golden (D), a former Marine,- who I voted for- said :" Choose carefully the hill you wish to die on ." What say you guys....
. I'm not proud of our governor SCENE: State Indoor Track Championship. Last year a 'kid' (I didn't want to use an improper pronoun) finished 5th in the BOY's pole vault. This year the same kid won the gold
in the GIRL's pole vault , beating the runnerup by 6 inches. Many Mainers recalled our president issued a Exec. Order outlawing such. Many Mainers also recalled that in mere moments after the EO the NCAA fully agreed. ACT I : Word spread quickly to D.C. of the 'kid's' gold medal. Maine's Gov. Mills (who I didn't vote for) stood firm on the belief that a kid can decide if he's a boy or girl .
ACT II : Our governor attended the National Governor's Confrence in D.C. President Trump (who I did vote for) spoke to them.
ACT III : A showdown began (on national news). Ending with pres threating to withhold federal funds
while gov said she would take him to court .EPILOGUE : It is estimated that 85%+ of we Mainers agree with President Trump on this. Our U.S. Congressman, Jarett Golden (D), a former Marine,- who I voted for- said :" Choose carefully the hill you wish to die on ." What say you guys....
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National Football League / Re: NFL officials fired
« Last post by oldtimerref on February 19, 2025, 02:52:57 PM »I brought this up only to ask a question but I have been retired so long that social media was never an issue or a problem. I have never heard of any questions related to NCAA or NFL officials period.
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National Football League / Re: NFL officials fired
« Last post by dammitbobby on February 19, 2025, 02:26:06 PM »I've been forwarded several (and I've seen a few) of these types of stories. I'm sure the original post was a similar situation. Most of them seem to be floating around on Facebook. Unfortunately, I've seen a former official friend share a couple of these without trying to verify them first. I think most of them are started by fans trying to fuel conspiracy theories...probably because their team didn't win and they thought the officials missed a bunch of calls in the other team's favor.
A good friend who's been retired for a few years told me, during the season, he saw almost one fake story per week about officials from the NFL, SEC, BigTen, etc. who were "fired" for gambling, conspiracy to help one team, etc. Some people are convinced that officials at the highest levels are compromised and there's no way to convince them differently. Personally, I think there are a lot of fans out there who hope this is the case because it will confirm their suspicions.
This is 100% true - but at the same, time, the officiating offices at the highest levels aren't doing themselves, their officials, or anyone downstream any favors by refusing to address things that optically give that impression. I completely get it - officials should never be the story, the thin black and white line is just as, if not stronger than its blue counterpart - but silence instead of affirming or admitting mistakes is only getting more and more damaging. Social media, cell phones, and slo mo televised instant replay have completely changed how fans consume the game, and officiating is not keeping up. As the proverbial saying goes, fecal matter rolls downhill, and it affects all of us at lower levels.
We're starting to see changes though, such as Goodell and others making public statements refuting the claims that games are fixed, or that officials favor one team or player. We need to see that at more levels, IMO.
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National Football League / Re: NFL officials fired
« Last post by Kalle on February 19, 2025, 01:36:35 PM »Considering how rare bribery cases are in (top level) sports officiating are (I know of only two, one in NBA and another in UEFA) any credible accusation would instantly make huge headlines in all medias. So, a single social media post is very likely a hoax.