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Offline Kalle

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Hideout or not?
« on: December 19, 2024, 09:54:04 AM »
Stolen from the other board :)

https://x.com/tdinan/status/1868410513522057651

Your call?

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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2024, 10:07:04 AM »
Foul every day of the week, and twice on Friday nights. 

https://www.ctpost.com/gametimect/football/article/ct-higfh-school-football-illegal-play-darien-19986241.php - the state association says it's a foul too

edit: I cannot believe the number of people who think that New Canaan is in Texas, LOL... they're mixing up a Connecticut town with the fictional town of West Canaan, TX, from the movie Varsity Blues


also:  the team is claiming they talked to the officials about it and were told it was legal https://x.com/DHSBWfootball/status/1869216452718555416
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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2024, 10:28:25 AM »
Goodness. It does look like he lined up just inside the numbers so that's at least fine. If the play is allowed, need a UNS for using the substitution process with intent to deceive. That's an automatic.

However, there are some significant mechanics breakdowns here. LOS needs to go into substitution mechanic and get on radio if needed. R and U need to follow and prevent the snap. If the snap still occurs before it can be stopped, shut the play down as the defense was not provided the opportunity to match up. If first such event, warn, otherwise a UNS is appropriate.

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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2024, 10:33:33 AM »
Goodness. It does look like he lined up just inside the numbers so that's at least fine. If the play is allowed, need a UNS for using the substitution process with intent to deceive. That's an automatic.

However, there are some significant mechanics breakdowns here. LOS needs to go into substitution mechanic and get on radio if needed. R and U need to follow and prevent the snap. If the snap still occurs before it can be stopped, shut the play down as the defense was not provided the opportunity to match up. If first such event, warn, otherwise a UNS is appropriate.

The deep wing should be notice this and be alerting the crew of the sub, not just the wing.  (I don't think there's a B here, I think they are using crew of six)

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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2024, 11:51:09 AM »
Correct, i assumed it was five where B should help as well, but it looks like a six man crew.

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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2024, 12:44:53 PM »
The editorial change for this year "This includes any hideout tactic with or without a substitution" makes this call very easy to me. I wouldn't go with stop the snap, I'd go straight to UNS for this, but would support holding the snap ie. killing the play as no way a U or C could be able to prevent the snap.

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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2024, 11:45:48 AM »
This is definitely using the substitution process to deceive so it should be a UNS.  If Connecticut uses Federation rules/mechanics which I believe they do, there is no substitution process that you would notice on a film.  The defense does not have to be given the opportunity to “match up” so there is no “iron cross or equivalent." 
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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2024, 10:29:20 PM »
This should be handled with sub mechanics until the defense recognizes and covers the WR.  Easy.

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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2024, 07:44:09 AM »
That applies in NCAA game but this was a game played under Federation rules.

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Re: Hideout or not?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2024, 07:14:26 PM »
That is unfortunate. Perhaps the sub rule is another leaf that NFHS should take from the NCAA book, to avoid situations like this.