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S-B Quiz 2024-07
« on: October 24, 2024, 02:46:58 PM »
Got to this one pretty quickly. Check me. I probably screwed up somewhere.
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2024 Quiz 9

1. 4/10 @ B-25. During the first possession series of the first extra period, A98’s field goal attempt is blocked and does not cross the neutral zone. A88 recovers the ball at the B-28 and runs for a touchdown.
RULING:
A, try, B-3, no clock (40 and running).
A88’s recovery and advance of the live ball is legal, and results in a 6-point touchdown for Team A, with a ‘normal’ try to follow.


2. 3/1 @ B-6. During the first possession series of the first extra period, the offense did not score. In the second possession series, Team A lines up to try a short field goal on 3rd down. The attempt is blocked and does not cross the neutral zone. A23 recovers the ball at the B-10 and is tackled at the B-7.
RULING:
A, 4/2, B-7, no clock (25).
Team A’s down series is not broken, since the legal scrimmage kick failed to cross the neutral zone. Next down. However, the play clock is set to 25-seconds and will start on the referee’s signal, due to the preceding legal kick down.


3. 4/20 @ B-35. During the first possession series of the first extra period, the offense goes for it on 4th down. A12 completes a pass to A88 at the B-20 where he is legally hit and knocked out of bounds. B54 crosses the boundary, and hits A88 clearly after the play is over.
RULING:
B, 1/10, B-40, no clock (25).
Team A’s possession series is ended when they fail to make the line to gain, and Team B is immediately awarded a possession series. B54’s UNR for a late hit is a dead-ball foul between series, and is penalized before the line-to-gain is established.

4. 3/5 @ B-30. It is late in the half and both teams have all their timeouts remaining. With Team A at the line and ready to snap the ball, the Team A head coach requests a timeout, and the timeout is granted. After the timeout, both teams are in formation and the ball is ready for play. Just before the play clock hits 0, the Team A head coach requests a timeout.
RULING:
3/5 3/10, B-35, no clock (25).
The request for a second consecutive T/O by the Team A head coach is denied, and Team A commits a delay game foul when the play clock expires.


5. 2/5 @ B-20. Late in the 4th quarter with the score tied and the game clock running, B77 is in the neutral zone at the snap, but does not make contact. QB A12 rolls out to pass, runs to the B-17 and throws a forward pass, which falls incomplete. The game clock is stopped with 15 seconds remaining.
RULING:
2/5, B-20, 0:15 (4), snap (25).
B77 commits a foul for offside, and A12 commits a foul for an illegal forward pass (thrown from beyond the NZ). Because of the offsetting fouls, the 10-second subtraction is not available, and the game clock follows normal procedure, and will start on the snap (due to the incomplete pass).


6. 4/7 @ A-45. A98 punts and the kick is partially blocked and goes out of bounds at the A-46. At the snap, Team A has five players in the backfield.
RULING:
A, 4/12, A-40, snap (25), OR (more likely), B, 1/10, A-46 , snap (25).
Team A commits an illegal formation foul. If Team B accepts the penalty, the 5-yard penalty is enforced at the previous spot, and the down is repeated. If Team B declines the penalty, Team B will is awarded a scrimmage down series at the dead-ball spot (which they will most likely elect to do). In either case, the play clock is set to 25-seconds and starts on the referee’s signal, and the game clock starts on the snap.


7. 4/6 @ A-24. Team A is in scrimmage kick formation and punts. B50 is lined up inside the frame of the snapper and is within one yard of the line of scrimmage. The punt rolls out of bounds at the B-40.
RULING:
B, 1/10, B-40, snap (25) OR (more likely) 4/1, A-29, snap (25).
Team B commits an illegal formation foul. If Team A declines the penalty, Team B will is awarded a scrimmage down series at the dead-ball spot. If Team A accepts the penalty, the 5-yard penalty is enforced at the previous spot, and the down is repeated (which they will most likely elect to do). In either case, the play clock is set to 25-seconds and starts on the referee’s signal, and the game clock starts on the snap.


8. 3/10 @ B-40. Early in the 2nd quarter, Team A has all 3 timeouts remaining. A12 throws a legal forward pass to A88 but the pass is ruled incomplete at the B-31. The Team A head coach calls timeout to challenge the ruling on the field of an incomplete pass. Replay overturns the ruling on the field to a catch at the B-31. After the ball is ready at the B-31, Team A breaks the huddle late in the play clock, and the Team A head coach attempts to call a timeout just before the play clock displays zero.
RULING:
A, 4/6, B-36, snap (25).
The replay ruling places the ball at the B-31, for fourth down. Team A retains their challenge AND their time out. However, the rule regarding consecutive times-out applies to this situation, and the second request for a time out by Team A is denied. When the play clock expires, Team A has committed a foul for delay of game. The penalty takes the ball to the B-36, and a new 25-second play clock count is started on the referee’s signal.
Since the replay review occurred with 2:00 or more remaining in the 2nd period, the game clock remains status quo per the initial ruling on the field. In this case, the game clock will start on the snap (due to the incomplete pass ruling, even though that ruling was changed by replay).
(This is AR 3-3-4-II, but that AR does not specifically address the clocks for the next down.)

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2024, 02:54:11 PM »
#4 - after the penalty, it would be 3/10, not 3/5 (that was the original).

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2024, 08:48:33 AM »
My degree and license are in architecture, not math.   ;)

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2024, 02:33:06 PM »
#6 - B can accept the penalty and add the 5 yards where the dead ball belongs to them, right?

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2024, 03:27:11 PM »
#6 - B can accept the penalty and add the 5 yards where the dead ball belongs to them, right?

Yes, of course they can. See, I told you I messed up something.
B, 1/10, A-41, snap (25). That’s the option they would take, without question. No need to even ask.

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2024, 03:36:26 PM »
Something is getting lost in translation on my end, how can they have multiple options to accept the foul - which requires the down to be repeated - or accept the foul, with LOD?

I'm sure I'm just not visualizing the play and the possible outcomes correctly but something isn't clicking for me here.

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2024, 04:08:52 PM »
Something is getting lost in translation on my end, how can they have multiple options to accept the foul - which requires the down to be repeated - or accept the foul, with LOD?

I'm sure I'm just not visualizing the play and the possible outcomes correctly but something isn't clicking for me here.
There is only one option that would have the down repeated.
First, let’s be sure that we all understand that the natural result of the down is that the ball belongs to team B at the spot where it went OB. That would be true even if the ball never crossed the NZ.

1. Team B can always decline the penalty and take the ball at the dead-ball spot. Not likely.
2. Team B can always have the penalty enforced at the previous spot with the down repeated. Not likely.
3. Because the ball crossed the NZ, the illegal formation foul by Team A may be enforced where the dead ball belongs to Team B. They would obviously accept this option.

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2024, 01:25:13 PM »
OK, looks like I missed part one question. But, considering the part I missed is related to replay (and questions 1-8 are not supposed to be about replay), I don't feel too bad.

Q8
The pass was ruled incomplete, so the game clock stopped on the incomplete pass. Then, the Team A HC is granted a time out to challenge the ruling. Replay changes the call to a completed pass. In my answer, I said the game clock would start on the snap, due to the original incomplete pass ruling. In hindsight, that was flawed thinking on my part. Since replay changed the ruling to a completed pass, the game clock would not have stopped; so the game clock will start on the referee's signal (ready).
I'll be better prepared for my next game with replay. Oh, wait. Those days are long past. Oh, well. Maybe I'll better understand what I'm seeing on TV.  ;)

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2024, 06:53:07 AM »
There is only one option that would have the down repeated.
First, let’s be sure that we all understand that the natural result of the down is that the ball belongs to team B at the spot where it went OB. That would be true even if the ball never crossed the NZ.

1. Team B can always decline the penalty and take the ball at the dead-ball spot. Not likely.
2. Team B can always have the penalty enforced at the previous spot with the down repeated. Not likely.
3. Because the ball crossed the NZ, the illegal formation foul by Team A may be enforced where the dead ball belongs to Team B. They would obviously accept this option.

There

I'm tracking now - 6-3-13 is the rule that allows this.  Completely forgot about it.

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2024, 10:01:52 AM »
Yeah, the clock status after a review is always whatever it would be given the result of the review. What you may have confused is that outside of the two minute timeout, the actual time is not adjusted. Regardless of if the clock stopped or ran incorrectly, the time remains the same even after a replay review before the two minute timeout.

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Re: S-B Quiz 2024-07
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2024, 11:26:57 AM »
Yeah, the clock status after a review is always whatever it would be given the result of the review. What you may have confused is that outside of the two minute timeout, the actual time is not adjusted. Regardless of if the clock stopped or ran incorrectly, the time remains the same even after a replay review before the two minute timeout.

Yeah, and I guess I'm still confused. I don't see anything that say the game clock would start on the referee's signal, EXCEPT during the last minutes of the 2nd/4th periods. Outside of 2 minutes, or in the 1st/3rd periods, it actually makes sense to me, to start it on the ready, since the clock would not have stopped if the correct ruling had been made. But, nothing says to do that, in the rules. Perhaps that is in the replay manual, which I don't have.
Like I said, for me, personally, this doesn't matter. Haven't had to deal with replay since 2012, and probably won't ever again. So, I'll stop fretting about it.  ;)