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NCAA Discussion / Re: 2025 S-B Quiz 11

« Last post by ElvisLives on Today at 09:55:38 PM »

In #2, eject A44, right?

Yes, of course. I was too wrapped up in the ‘no clean hands,’ and forgot to mention that A44 is ejected, even if the live-ball targeting foul is offset by an opponents’ live-ball foul.

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NCAA Discussion / Re: 2025 S-B Quiz 11

« Last post by Kalle on Today at 09:18:02 PM »

In #2, eject A44, right?

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Onside Kick Mechanics

« Last post by GoodScout on Today at 07:52:30 PM »

This is our mechanic as well, with the 2 officials on the 45.

Ironically we had an unexpected onside kick in our state semifinal game this weekend, and I was able to put a beanbag down for first touching by K at their 48 before they recovered it at R's 48. The idiot TV announcers were melting down ("Why aren't they giving it to them? I didn't see anyone put a flag down!") but my crew was thrilled I had it. Having another official at the 45 would have made it even easier.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Football Shenanigans

« Last post by refjeff on Today at 02:52:48 PM »

But forfeit equals loss, and that’s what they wanted, so they could advance in the lower bracket. State association might do that but it wouldn’t be me gifting it to them.

I'm not willing to be an accomplice to this absurdity.

And I'm not going to throw gas on the fire with a bunch of UNS flags and DQ's.   Someone higher up the pay scale can sort it out.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Football Shenanigans

« Last post by refjeff on Today at 02:48:12 PM »

Under what rule? Is this bush league? Absolutely. Should there be some off the field punishment? I think so. But is it illegal within the game? No. We don’t have a “travesty of the game” rule like baseball does. Just because we don’t like something doesn’t mean we can just make up punishment.

9-9-5  Neither team shall commit any act which, in the opinion of the referee, tends to make a travesty of the game.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Onside Kick Mechanics

« Last post by ElvisLives on Today at 10:37:43 AM »

In a crew of 7 with an onside kick, the B and U are checking for offside, and then assist with illegal blocking and touching by A. The L and H (now between the restraining lines) are primary on touching of the ball (legal and illegal), secondary on illegal blocks by A. The F and S are primary for encroachment by B, then illegal blocks by A, and can assist with touching of the ball.
With an onside kick, all we really must know is who touched the ball first, and WHERE that happened. If we know that, everything else resolves itself.
If the ball gets kicked deep, the F and S simply drop back to cover the runback, as though they had started on the goal line. The H and L fade to lead action down the field, and get to the GL before the BC. The U and B do what they always do on deep free kicks.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Onside Kick Mechanics

« Last post by dammitbobby on Today at 09:00:19 AM »

That is NCAA mechanic as well.

I think it would be more advantageous for officiating the onside kick if the 'middle' officials (I think S and F) are positioned either 5 or 10 yards behind R's restraining line, to give a clearer view of all the action should a kick make it through the initial line. And even if it doesn't make it through, you then have two officials who have different angles and perspectives on what happens.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Onside Kick Mechanics

« Last post by Ralph Damren on Today at 08:57:00 AM »

We work with 5-man crews during regular season. When an onside kick is obvious, we move HL & U upto 50 which bumps HL up to K's 40 & R plays centerfield back around R's 20 (behind R's deepest reciever).

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Football Shenanigans

« Last post by dammitbobby on Today at 08:54:34 AM »

My understanding (what I've read) is that forfeiting wouldn't allow the other team to advance, because of the way their bylaws are worded. A forfeiture after the game was final, would be a forfeit for the upcoming game, and would only advance/benefit the next team to be played.

Porta did lose Saturday 54-14.

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National Federation Discussion / Re: Football Shenanigans

« Last post by Ralph Damren on Today at 08:44:20 AM »

AFTER FURTHER REVIEW BY THE REPLAY OFFICIAL (ME & OLE' DELL)......

My Dartmouth friend  got it 'bass-ackwards' :

SCENE : 1940, Cornell (6-0) playing Dartmouth (3-3) in an Ivy League battle

ACT I : Big Green leading Big Red 3-0 ,with seconds to go

ACT II : Big Red's ball , goal-to-go , 4th down, Big Green held

ACT III : Big Red,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,somehow gets another down, they score, ....game ends ,Cornell wins 6-3

ACT IV: The next day, Cornell discovers the error, entire team and coaches vote to forfeit the game to Dartmouth 

ACT V : Dartmouth accepts forfeit victory 

EPILOGUE : IMHO, our sportsmanshilp began to fade the next year when we were bombed at Pearl Harbor.