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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: CenTexTM on September 28, 2013, 01:59:38 PM

Title: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: CenTexTM on September 28, 2013, 01:59:38 PM: OSU QB takes the snap, then hands the ball to #17 who runs to the right and throws the ball away OOB to avoid a sack. Even assuming the ball crossed the neutral zone extended, why is this not intentional grounding?

OSU was flagged for IDF, but the difference between 1st and 15 and 2nd and 20-something is huge.
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: dvasques on September 28, 2013, 05:02:44 PM: IDF?
Title: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: maven on September 28, 2013, 05:23:31 PM: Ineligible downfield.

maven
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: InsideTheStripes on September 30, 2013, 10:36:55 AM: As described, there were two fouls on the play: IDF & ING.

The grounding exception only applies to the player who controls the snap.
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on September 30, 2013, 10:55:28 AM: IDF only applies to a play with a LEGAL forward pass.
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: InsideTheStripes on September 30, 2013, 12:35:32 PM: Quote from: Andrew McCarthy on September 30, 2013, 10:55:28 AM
IDF only applies to a play with a LEGAL forward pass.

D'oh. Clearly correct.
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: TxSkyBolt on September 30, 2013, 01:25:39 PM: Picker of nits here, it's IDP
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: Clear Lake ref on September 30, 2013, 11:40:53 PM: Is there video? Grounding exception also applies if a backwards pass. It does not apply to the receiver of a hand off, at least explicitly.
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: Kalle on October 01, 2013, 01:48:25 AM: Quote from: Clear Lake ref on September 30, 2013, 11:40:53 PM
Is there video? Grounding exception also applies if a backwards pass. It does not apply to the receiver of a hand off, at least explicitly.

Umm, no. You are probably confusing the language "snap or the resulting backward pass" in rule 7-3-Exception to mean anything other but the actual snap and the potential flight time of a long snap, which by rule is a backward pass.
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: Clear Lake ref on October 01, 2013, 07:25:36 AM: Ah ok.

So there is no throwing away downfield on a halfback pass?
Title: Re: OSU v WVU - intentional grounding?
Post by: Kalle on October 01, 2013, 07:59:19 AM: Quote from: Clear Lake ref on October 01, 2013, 07:25:36 AM
So there is no throwing away downfield on a halfback pass?

Nope, you better find some eligible receiver somewhere and throw the ball remotely close to him.