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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: JasonTX on December 07, 2013, 02:19:02 PM
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Did anyone see the flag waved off for the sideline interference that was flagged by the S. It was around the 6:25 mark in the 4th qtr. It appears the H talked him out of it. I thought he should have stayed with the flag since he tripped over a sub who was outside of the team area and was actually backing up after having been in the restricted area. Thoughts?
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I saw it too. I have no idea why they picked that up.
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Definitely there and should have been enforced. Looks like crew talked hi out of it!
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To quote what I hear from coaches, "that was horrible".
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Par for the course with this crew today.
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Par for the course with this crew today.
Really? Give examples ... Pretty harsh words with no examples ... Sounds more like sour grapes.
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Looked like the OU assistant and the H managed to convince the S the collision happened in the green and not in the white.
Don't know how the H could tell what with all the people in the white between him and the S.
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Really? Give examples ... Pretty harsh words with no examples ... Sounds more like sour grapes.
Intentional grounding not called on OU for one.
Poor spot on OSU near goal line.
Poor spot on OU - about a yard closer to the LTG than was supposed to be.
Not reviewing the interception for OSU. Probably would not have been overturned, but worthy a review.
Yes, I am coming from a fan standpoint and not so much my officiating standpoint, but removing my fandom, I still don't think the stripes were on their A-game today.
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Intentional grounding not called on OU for one.
Poor spot on OSU near goal line.
Poor spot on OU - about a yard closer to the LTG than was supposed to be.
Not reviewing the interception for OSU. Probably would not have been overturned, but worthy a review.
Yes, I am coming from a fan standpoint and not so much my officiating standpoint, but removing my fandom, I still don't think the stripes were on their A-game today.
Ill bite...winning drive for OU...DPI was not there...two no calls for holding on RT...int should have went to replay but I would go with "play stands"...should not talk S out of interference...they have to learn that area is ours...Texas HS guys know how serious this is
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I was *STUNNED* that they picked this up. :o
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Is this the play:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/12/7/5186134/oklahoma-player-trips-ref-on-sidelines
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Is this the play:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/12/7/5186134/oklahoma-player-trips-ref-on-sidelines
That is it. How was Tomlin not flagged? If you have to run behind the coach that's an automatic ^flag
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This really bothers me. And I think coaches/sidelines should be given a ton of leeway in general. You wanna complain/scream all day about calls? Go nuts. Just stand where you're supposed to while you're doing it.
To that end, I understand--and agree with--the reluctance to hit a coach/sideline with a flag. If it's for VERBAL activity in the coaches area.
But this is entirely different. This official is running his a** off. Doing his job. And he could've been significantly hurt. What if he'd twisted an ankle or sprained a knee so badly that he couldn't finish the game? What if this were week 2 and he had to miss the next 3 games with an injury? Would the H (or anyone else on the crew) look for a reason to talk him off the flag then?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwJdx3tsVOI
Full video
Drinks are on me if this does not make a CFO video with Dr. Redding reminding us to penalize this stuff.
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Now that I've seen the video, I believe S has something he needs to grow and not "yes dear" the rest of the crew. He should have stuck to his guns. Mike, I'll buy the 2nd round.
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wel…
the announcers thought the flag pickup was good since officials might not want to influence the game with that type of unnintentional action…
why don't they just shut up?
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They started out saying it was a good flag before it was waved off and then they thought that was good.
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But this is entirely different. This official is running his a** off. Doing his job. And he could've been significantly hurt. What if he'd twisted an ankle or sprained a knee so badly that he couldn't finish the game? What if this were week 2 and he had to miss the next 3 games with an injury? Would the H (or anyone else on the crew) look for a reason to talk him off the flag then?
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This, all the way, this...
He was clearly in the white and he didn't run into a coach, he ran into a player standing in the white. I would *LOVE* to hear how they talked him out of this.
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This, all the way, this...
He was clearly in the white and he didn't run into a coach, he ran into a player standing in the white. I would *LOVE* to hear how they talked him out of this.
Especially since the subs should be in the team area.
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^flag
Has the Big 12 Office heretofore given any kind of an official explanation to either the competing schools or to the media as to why the flag was picked up and not enforced? If they have not, do you think that they ever will? If not, that appears to be extremely bad public relations! z^
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Now that I've seen the video, I believe S has something he needs to grow and not "yes dear" the rest of the crew. He should have stuck to his guns. Mike, I'll buy the 2nd round.
This is unfair. For all we know, he told the R exactly what happened, and the R made the call to pick up the flag. If that happened, what sort of 'gun-sticking' are you suggesting the S should've done? Argue with the R? Steal the microphone and announce the penalty himself? :)
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This is unfair. For all we know, he told the R exactly what happened, and the R made the call to pick up the flag. If that happened, what sort of 'gun-sticking' are you suggesting the S should've done? Argue with the R? Steal the microphone and announce the penalty himself? :)
^flag
So who get's their tootsies in trouble with the Big 12 Officials Supervisor's Office when the film review is done? The "S?" The "R?" Or the entire crew? And trust me, the Big 12 Supervisor is not going to want to be the laughing stock from his other conference's supervisor cohorts over a call/miscommunication like this!
In time, I greatly suspect that someone is going to pay, rather than meekly stand before the podium and just say "'Scuze!" z^
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This is unfair. For all we know, he told the R exactly what happened, and the R made the call to pick up the flag. If that happened, what sort of 'gun-sticking' are you suggesting the S should've done? Argue with the R? Steal the microphone and announce the penalty himself? :)
Nobody said life was fair. And the R is not always right. 7 guys swim; 7 guys sink.
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8 in this game, even!
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8 makes it even worse!
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Nobody said life was fair. And the R is not always right. 7 guys swim; 7 guys sink.
8 makes it even worse!
^flag
And if nothing is done by the Big 12 Supervisor of Officials Office, let alone any public lip-service being rendered to either the press or the affected teams; and by merely choosing to ignore the foul as well as the spirit and intent of the rules and thereby giving rise to suspicions of covering-up, largely to save face, then that total number of "sinkers" should be going to 9! z^
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Woohoo!! Looks like I will have money to buy Christmas presents as I am not buying drinks for the house. Play made the CFO video released today Play 25. As most of us expected, Dr Redding says flag should have stayed and penalty enforced
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8 makes it even worse!
^flag
And if nothing is done by the Big 12 Supervisor of Officials Office, let alone any public lip-service being rendered to either the press or the affected teams; and by merely choosing to ignore the foul as well as the spirit and intent of the rules and thereby giving rise to suspicions of covering-up, largely to save face, then that total number of "sinkers" should be going to 9! z^
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Clearly this was a foul that should have been enforced. Again, common sense....
Not sure how the HL or the R allow this to be waved off. The SJ needs to TELL them that it is 15 yds and tack it on.....no question. Looks like no drinks need to be bought on this one except by the HL. Definitely a learning opportunity.
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Revisiting this one for 2014. Moving forward for this season-- 9-2-5 is certainly different from 9-2-3-a.
Regarding 9-2-3-a, i.e. official gets hit hard by coach who is in white or on field of play while covering the play. 15 yards 3-and-1 or 15 yards LB treated as DB? Does it matter if there's a score on the play? The penalty statement clearly gives us latitude, so......
which is it?
Again, I'm talking about an official that goes down or makes significant [unintentional] contact that hurts...not simply 9-2-5 i.e. I had to go around the coach.
Survey says?