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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: RTBackJudge on July 08, 2014, 08:34:21 PM
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In discussing Questions 47 and 65 of the CFO exam the question has been raised as to whether Team B can have the ball and still have Team A's offside penalty enforced. Is it not true that Team B cannot accept the ball at the spot of Illegal Touching if a live ball foul is enforced. Which means Team B has the choice to take the ball at the spot of touching OR accept the foul but not both.
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Post your questions and comments on this year's exam here. Keeping the discussion in one place helps everyone navigate through the test. Please be sure your questions (and responses) include a reference to a specific question number, as RT has done in the OP.
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I don't have the test so you may have to clear some things up for me. If A is offside, I'm assuming it's a free kick. If so, accepting any live ball foul cancels the illegal touching privilege (6-1-3-c). Team B can either enforce the penalty at the previous spot, enforce the penalty at the dead ball spot if the ball belongs to Team B (6-1-8), or they can take the ball at the spot of illegal touching.
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One caveat - if the spot where the dead ball belongs to B and the illegal touching spot are one and the same, the penalty against A may be tacked on from that spot. For example, A kicks off from the A-35 and is offside. An A player falls on the ball at the A-40. The penalty for the offside can be enforced from the A-40 since, by rule, the ball belongs to B at that spot.
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Does the ball actually belong to Team B in this scenario before B invokes the Illegal Touching priviledge? If Team A recovers on the ball, the ball should belong to Team A. Then Team B gets the priviledge of invoking the First Touching provision, which they can't if they accept the foul. Where in the rule book does your caveat supercede the Illegal Touching provision?
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Touché jg.
RT, because the ball has not traveled 10 yards beyond their restraining line, A's recovery is not legal, therefore the ball belongs to B.
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For reference use rule 6-1-6-a. This makes it clear that the ball belongs to the receiving team unless the kicking team is in legal possession of it. Since the kick did not travel 10 yards in my play situation, the ball does not legally belong to A therefore it belongs to B. The recovery spot is actually the spot where the dead ball belongs to B AND an illegal touch spot. It can be used as either.
To further assure you, RR has been asked about this exact scenario in the past and this is his ruling as well. It is within the rules to tack on a penalty for an A foul that occurs during the kick to this spot.