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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: FLAHL on July 09, 2014, 08:39:46 AM

Title: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: FLAHL on July 09, 2014, 08:39:46 AM
When a running back jumps the snap count, do you allow him to reset and let the play go off, or do you kill the play and call a foul for a false start?  Redding's says this is "most likely" a false start, but goes on to say "there is no general agreement among officials about what constitutes a false start by a back or split end."

For clarification, when I say "jumps the snap count" this is clearly not a shift, but a quick movement in the direction he would have gone at the snap, followed by another quick movement back into a three point stance.
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: RS on July 09, 2014, 08:50:33 AM
False Start.
It will save you a lot of potential grief.
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: Atlanta Blue on July 09, 2014, 08:56:05 AM
If it's quick, he simulated the snap.  Flag it.  No back or end shifts quickly, it is a clearly a slower, more deliberate move.
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: Magician on July 09, 2014, 09:06:54 AM
Some officials will justify the runner's ability to do this because he can shift and reset, but I believe it's ultimately the best for everyone to shut this down as a false start.  He made the mistake.
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: bossman72 on July 09, 2014, 09:11:47 AM
Absolutely a false start. No doubt about it
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: Rulesman on July 09, 2014, 11:25:46 AM
"Simulating action" is a false start - period.  ^flag

It's a cop-out, and a distinct lack of concentration on your part, if you let them get away with it.
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: FLAHL on July 09, 2014, 11:50:40 AM
Redding's goes on to say "there is no general agreement among officials about what constitutes a false start by a back or split end.

Thanks Guys.  Sounds like there definitely IS general agreement among the people on this board.
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: HLinNC on July 09, 2014, 03:29:51 PM
Early in my career, I got my yazz chewed by the white hat on a jumping RB who I flagged for false start.  It made me gun shy on flagging that one for a while. deadhorse: pi1eOn

HC- "HE MOVED, HE MOVED!!!!"
Me- "Sorry coach, that's the referee's call.  I'll be happy to go get him for you" >:D
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: Curious on July 09, 2014, 03:54:02 PM
Not just a running back; but "any A player". 
Title: Re: RB Jumps the Snap Count
Post by: Ralph Damren on July 10, 2014, 07:19:18 AM
"Simulating action" is a false start - period.  ^flag

It's a cop-out, and a distinct lack of concentration on your part, if you let them get away with it.
To me this is an easy call. Any lunge or lurch by A is easy to distinguish from motion and should be a false start ^flag. A coach ,trying to cover it up , saying : "Oh, he was only in motion ::)" can be answered : "Coach, he simulated action at the start." Remember, if the play gets off after your whistle, you may wish to ask the clock operator to add a couple of seconds to cover the time it ran after your tweet and before you could shut the play. This will tell the frenzied masses that what just happened didn't really. :)