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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: red viking on August 19, 2014, 08:52:03 PM

Title: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: red viking on August 19, 2014, 08:52:03 PM
What is the difference? Thanks.
Title: Re: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: theunofficialofficial on August 19, 2014, 09:11:01 PM
It's really a judgement call. But generally a good rule of thumb I use is did the player get knocked to the ground or did he just "bump" him. That doesn't mean that the "bump" can't be severe enough that it's roughing. Also watch for a good acting job where a kicker 'fakes it till he makes it'.


Make sure you see all the contact. Did the B player get blocked into the kicker? Did he make an obvious and concerted effort to avoid 'roughing' the kicker? Did he touch/tip the ball after it had been kicked before unavoidable contact was made? Did he just plow into and shove the kicker after the ball had been clearly kicked?


It's a very difficult judgement to make, try and find a lot of film to find obvious distinctions between the two. A great place are the Aloha clinic videos on kicking, there are some plays that cover this.
Title: Re: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: Atlanta Blue on August 19, 2014, 09:12:58 PM
Breathing on a kicker with less than minty fresh breath is running into.

Bumping a kicker is roughing.

Knocking a kicker to the ground is felonious assault.  Call the police.
Title: Re: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: Rulesman on August 19, 2014, 09:50:27 PM
Breathing on a kicker with less than minty fresh breath is running into.

Bumping a kicker is roughing.

Knocking a kicker to the ground is felonious assault.  Call the police.
Spoken like a true special teams coach,  ;D
Title: Re: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: prab on August 19, 2014, 10:50:06 PM
Another good rule of thumb:

Contact on the kicking leg is more likely to be "running into".

Contact on the plant leg is more likely to be "roughing".
Title: Re: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: Tom.OH on August 20, 2014, 07:30:45 AM
Breathing on a kicker with less than minty fresh breath is running into.

Bumping a kicker is roughing.

Knocking a kicker to the ground is felonious assault.  Call the police.

As long as these "standards" apply when your opponents are punting. ;D
Title: Re: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: bama_stripes on August 20, 2014, 07:35:39 AM
And, when in doubt, it's roughing rather than running into.
Title: Re: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: sir55 on August 20, 2014, 10:25:25 AM
Breathing on a kicker with less than minty fresh breath is running into.

Bumping a kicker is roughing.

Knocking a kicker to the ground is felonious assault.  Call the police.

I don't care what anybody says about AB. that there is funny!!!
Title: Re: Roughing Versus Running Into The Kicker
Post by: bossman72 on August 20, 2014, 10:27:38 AM
Another good rule of thumb:

Contact on the kicking leg is more likely to be "running into".

Contact on the plant leg is more likely to be "roughing".

Yes!

Other than that, it's based on severity.