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Football Officiating => National Federation Discussion => Topic started by: VALJ on August 29, 2014, 07:57:14 AM
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After the snap, a B player comes on the field but does not participate in the play, which is a dive up the middle. Since I'm on B's sideline, I flag it - he wasn't just a step or two on, but he didn't get close enough to the pile to hit somebody or anything. We enforced it from the previous spot and replayed the down.
When I was in the car driving home, it hit me that we may have messed that enforcement up. Since it was during a running play, shouldn't we have enforced that from the end of the run?
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disregard my question
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3.7 Art. 5 An entering substitute shall be on his team's side of the neutral zone when the ball is snapped or kicked. (live ball foul- 5 yards).
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3.7 Art. 5 An entering substitute shall be on his team's side of the neutral zone when the ball is snapped or kicked. (live ball foul- 5 yards).
...IF he is not the 12th.... or more.
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In the OP, the player entered after the snap. That's Illegal Substitution and enforced from the succeeding spot. It doesn't matter if he was the 11th or 12th player. 3-7-6.
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It's Illegal Substitution and enforced from the succeeding spot. It doesn't matter if he was the 11th or 12th player.
Read 9-6-4
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Read 9-6-4
But he didn't participate. So I think 3-7-6 is the appropriate rule.
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Read 9-6-4
To have 12 or more players participating at the snap or free kick (illegal participation- live-ball, previous spot, 15 yards).
I assume we can interpret this to also mean 12 players participating at or after the snap?
I agree the OP is Illegal substitution.
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He was the 11th player, not the 12th - sorry for not including that. Thanks!
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He was the 11th player, not the 12th - sorry for not including that. Thanks!
Minor details...
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If you deemed that he did not participate, it's 5 yards from the succeeding spot.
If you deemed that he DID participate, it's 15 yards, basic spot enforcement, spot of the foul is where he participated.
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If you deemed that he did not participate, it's 5 yards from the succeeding spot.
If you deemed that he DID participate, it's 15 yards, basic spot enforcement, spot of the foul is where he participated.
:thumbup tiphat: If he did something to or gained the attention of an opponent = 15 . If he merely wandered out on the field and no opponent noticed = 5 succeeding spot (his foul had no impact on the play). If he wandered up into the stands on quest of the prom queen = sideline interference (first offense -warning).
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Thanks for the clarification.
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:thumbup tiphat: If he wandered up into the stands on quest of the prom queen = sideline interference (first offense -warning).
I'd think that might be an illegal and very forward pass...
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I'd think that might be an illegal and very forward pass...
Good point...it would be enforced from the spot of the foul and include loss of down/date. Other potential fouls : (1) Illegal personal contact ; (2) illegal touching ; (3) butt tackling. P_S