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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: The Ref Thats Lef on September 12, 2014, 05:01:07 AM

Title: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: The Ref Thats Lef on September 12, 2014, 05:01:07 AM: Answer and rational

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Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: Kalle on September 12, 2014, 06:04:43 AM: Looks to me that the catch is completed in the end zone even though the ball is still in the field of play when his foot touches the ground. Touchback.
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: Wingmanbp on September 12, 2014, 06:05:24 AM: I would call Touchback
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: BoBo on September 12, 2014, 07:48:24 AM: I would go Touchback
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: NVFOA_Ump on September 12, 2014, 08:18:57 AM: TB - Don't believe that he has established possession and control until he's on the ground in the EZ.
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: fencewire on September 12, 2014, 08:35:09 AM: Touchback.
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: psv on September 12, 2014, 09:00:19 AM: Touchback.
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: jason on September 12, 2014, 09:25:12 AM: Touchback. Generally anything that close you'd give the defense the benefit of the doubt and wouldn't punish them for making a good play by placing the ball at the 1/2 yard line.
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: Williams on September 12, 2014, 09:36:02 AM: I agree that when it is this close it is a touchback.
Also, I did not see a bean bag.
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: InsideTheStripes on September 12, 2014, 10:10:35 AM: Put him in for a touchback. A nearly identical play was on the preseason training tape.
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: mishatx on September 12, 2014, 10:47:43 AM: TB
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: younggun on September 12, 2014, 12:37:35 PM: TB... if you have to think about it... its a TB
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: Rostrom on September 12, 2014, 01:16:12 PM: It is true that the player must to keep control of the ball when he goes to the ground, but he made the interception when he step on the ground ( 1 1/2 Team B's yard line) , then his momentum carries him to the end zone.
First down to Team B at the 1 1/2 yarda line.
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: clearwall on September 12, 2014, 01:24:12 PM: Save yourself an BUTT chewing and give him the 20
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: Rostrom on September 12, 2014, 01:39:08 PM: Save yourself an BUTT chewing and give him the 20

that's right...!
Title: Re: Touchback or momentum exception rule
Post by: Morningrise on September 15, 2014, 10:43:42 AM: Seems unanimously TB.

Is that a) because the ball was over the goal line when the player's foot touched down, or b) because he did not firmly grasp the ball until the rest of his body came down?

Pretend this happened at the sideline instead of the goal line - would you have it incomplete? I wouldn't. Therefore I wouldn't say b).

In the olden days, this would either be TB or safety. So officials would fudge their rulings to avoid giving unfair safeties. The momentum rule was written specifically so we wouldn't *have* to fudge our rulings like that.

So I would say, if you have the ball at the half-yard line - or if you're not on the goal line and can't tell for sure - then go ahead and rule TB. But if you know the ball to be at the 1, then do what the rule was specifically created for.