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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: Morningrise on October 14, 2014, 10:26:12 AM

Title: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: Morningrise on October 14, 2014, 10:26:12 AM: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/11696563/watch-texas-high-school-team-totally-fool-opponent-trick-onside-kick

Whenever a website says "Check out This Amazing Trick Play From High School Or Youth Football," I roll my eyes because nine times out of ten it's the same old "wrong ball" or hideout garbage. But not this time.

This looks legal to me. The player was inside the nine-yard marks after the RFP and was not acting like a departing substitute. And please tell me you wouldn't call KCI on this. (except under Fed rules, which this wasn't)
Title: Re: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: Legacy Zebra on October 14, 2014, 10:40:08 AM: It's being discussed in two different threads already, but there should have been a flag on this. Not for the hideout, but for an illegal formation. There was at least one player behind the 35 who did not kick the ball.
Title: Re: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: golfingref on October 14, 2014, 05:40:37 PM: What about KCI? Looks like kick never hit the ground. (Sorry, this is from an NFHS official. Just finished reading all of the OP. So the ball doesn't have to hit the ground in NCAA?)
Title: Re: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: Legacy Zebra on October 14, 2014, 07:40:46 PM: No, as long as nobody from Team B is in position to catch the kick.
Title: Re: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: walkintall on October 16, 2014, 03:45:59 PM: Let me try one and you guys tell me the legality. It happened to me a few years ago.

After an unsuccessful 3rd down conversion attempt. The ball is marked ready for play and coach decides to punt. 5 A members run on the field and 5 replaced players come off the field with a 6th player with them stopping on the sideline and lines up in formation.

B saw it and called timeout, so nothing came of it.

What do you guys have, if anything?
Title: Re: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: goodgrr on October 16, 2014, 03:51:36 PM: Did he come inside the numbers?
Title: Re: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: DallasLJ on October 16, 2014, 03:57:58 PM: Quote from: walkintall on October 16, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
Let me try one and you guys tell me the legality. It happened to me a few years ago.

After an unsuccessful 3rd down conversion attempt. The ball is marked ready for play and coach decides to punt. 5 A members run on the field and 5 replaced players come off the field with a 6th player with them stopping on the sideline and lines up in formation.

B saw it and called timeout, so nothing came of it.

What do you guys have, if anything?

Had this play a few year back. Numbers do not matter. This is an unfair tactic, using the substitution process. The only way to be legal is to have have zero substitutes. Someone already on the field will have to punt -- and he still has to comply with being inside the numbers from some time from the end of the previous play and the snap.
Title: Re: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: walkintall on October 16, 2014, 04:14:35 PM: Dang, I didn't realize I was in the NCAA forum.

This was high school if it makes a difference. But, yes, he was one of the players inside the numbers when the ball was marked ready for play.
Title: Re: *Legally* making the opponent forget about the eleventh player - it can be done!
Post by: DallasLJ on October 16, 2014, 09:53:21 PM: Texas High School same as NCAA. Don't know about Fed.