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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: LJ1977 on October 19, 2014, 09:37:49 AM
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was that a a good call for blocking down field 4th and goal
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If you mean the OPI, there were 2 guys doing it. Great call. Brass cajones. Coach was crazy to think he could get away with that
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I'd say yes. Play started out looking like a wide receiver screen with lead receivers pushing downfield into the defenders clearly blocking. Problem here was that the pass to A-88 was apparently a bit late and A-88 was beyond the NZ and downfield before he actually caught the ball. Can't have team A blocking downfield on a play where the forward pass crosses the NZ. ^flag
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Outstanding call. Takes brass ones to make this call, it is the correct call for OPI. Great moment in officiating.
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Great call!!
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Even the comment-taters mentioned that the call took some big balls.
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Textbook OPI. receiver was blocking downfield on a pass play. ^flag
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Doug Rhoads explains the call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTVV8PC9gkI
Apparently the coach does not agree: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/19/7005349/notre-dame-florida-state-brian-kelly-comments-pass-interference
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Would have been perfectly legal if A-88 was just 2 yards further away from the goal line and not beyond the NZ but he very clearly was. Might have been a big call in a big game but it was very clearly a foul by each of the wide receivers.
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Apparently, Coach Kelly didn't have a problem during the game. He merely looked down to his play sheet to call the next play.
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He had a problem. There was a timeout at some point after this and he had to be restrained
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If you want an "unbiased" viewpoint (I imagine some might consider an ACC channel with an ACC exec not quite impartial):
http://youtu.be/RcTSc_JkvOI
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Rhoads never really addressed this specific play just general OPI pick plays. It would have been nice if he'd have publicly supported the calling official
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I am absolutely amazed at the number of people (not on this forum) who say that it was a bad call. There was no doubt at all that it was OPI.
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And now the issue is....you did not call it on an earlier TD so why call it now? The first play in the hilite reel is the previous TD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01EZyYZLa4
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Rhoads never really addressed this specific play just general OPI pick plays. It would have been nice if he'd have publicly supported the calling official
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I will wager an adult beverage the play is on CFO video soon and there will be unequivocal support
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Here's why I disagree with it:
1. Defender initiated contact. Dont we still 'waive' OPI when contact is by the defender before the ball is in flight?
2. WR is attempting to run a route, not block:
a. (http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2370062/post_snap_ss1-_highlighted.0.png)
Head and body are both turned toward the middle of the field
b. (http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2370058/why_its_OPI_-_highlighted.0.png)
WR arm is at his side. Has anyone ever blocked with no arms like this?
3. Even if you agree with the OPI call, why was this missed?
(http://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/-RSZIYR-UsVi4JVrZYKLke35Ggo=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2370098/flag3.0.jpg)
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As for blocking with no arms, I have seen receivers running pick plays do this because they actually believe there are officials who will not flag them if they are not using their arms as part if the action . ;-) I have also seen blockers do that when executing a block inthe back but know they will get caught if use arms
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And now the issue is....you did not call it on an earlier TD so why call it now?
That is the only problem I had with the call. Right call, no doubt about it. But even the FSU broadcast wondered the same thing. Why now? These are the plays that give us a bad rap: no foul until the last 20 seconds of the game. :sTiR:
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Good call, but like an old coach told me once, if it ain't holing at the 50, it ain't holding at the 5. Need to call every time
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Plus, first play on the highlight reel, it is at least close to the LOS, perhaps more noticeable the second time. Perhaps a second half adjustment????
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And now the issue is....you did not call it on an earlier TD so why call it now? The first play in the hilite reel is the previous TD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01EZyYZLa4
Can't tell from the video, was that touched 6"-12" beyond the neutral zone?
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Two similar yet markedly different plays.
Play #1 - the receiver is at the 1 with his right foot while his left foot is at or near the goal line as he reaches back very near the 1 to catch the ball. LOS is the 1. No way to say that the forward pass was completely beyond the NZ before being touched.
Play #2 - the receiver is at the 1 with both his right foot and his left foot as he lets the ball come into his body. LOS is outside the 2. Some could call this one close but there is no question on this one that the forward pass was beyond the NZ before being touched.
IMO there is no question that multiple team A receivers were blocking downfield beyond the NZ on both plays. IMO #1 is at the edge but a clearly supportable non-call, while #2 is black & white - a foul.
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Here's why I disagree with it:
1. Defender initiated contact. Dont we still 'waive' OPI when contact is by the defender before the ball is in flight?
2. WR is attempting to run a route, not block:
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Head and body are both turned toward the middle of the field
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WR arm is at his side. Has anyone ever blocked with no arms like this?
3. Even if you agree with the OPI call, why was this missed?
1) No, the defender did not initiate contact. The widest defender was going backward. The inside defender's feet were planted.
2) Responsibility is on the offense to avoid contact. Plus, the good pick plays make it look like you're not blocking.
3) Lots of things going on that play... The person who would probably see this is going to report his foul.
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I also like how Brian Kelly is being such a crybaby about it too. Lest he forget the 2012 Pitt game in their national championship year where he got a bogus DPI call that set up ND for the game winning TD, among countless other close calls that ND always seems to be the beneficiary of.
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I also like how Brian Kelly is being such a crybaby about it too. Lest he forget the 2012 Pitt game in their national championship runner-up year where he got a bogus DPI call that set up ND for the game winning TD, among countless other close calls that ND always seems to be the beneficiary of.
FIFY
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I also like how Brian Kelly is being such a crybaby about it too. Lest he forget the 2012 Pitt game in their national championship year where he got a bogus DPI call that set up ND for the game winning TD, among countless other close calls that ND always seems to be the beneficiary of.
Is ND still stinging from the Bush Push? ;)
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Today's media tape:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tYn7Yv6EYo&t=8m38s
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And now the issue is....you did not call it on an earlier TD so why call it now? The first play in the hilite reel is the previous TD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a01EZyYZLa4
Missing it earlier in the game is no excuse to willfully ignore it later in the game.
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The ND fans are just reaching for something. Now that even Redding has weighed in, they don't have much more to go with
And for some entertainment...if you believe in conspiracies, these folks have it all figured out:
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2014/10/21/7027553/the-conspiracy-against-notre-dame
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One of our local officials who's dad is connected at FSU says the coaching staff brought the earlier OPI miss to the attention of the crew at half time so they were primed.
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Remember philosophy...Team A is allowed a 1 yard zone to catch the ball and still legally block down field. I say this because the possible OPI early in the game is not a foul, in my opinion. Team A is snapping on the 1 and the receiver catches the ball on green grass. Had he been in the EZ then OPI all day. But with him catching the ball before entering the EZ, that is withing the 1 yard blocking is legal. Splitting hairs you say...probably, but that's the difference between a good game verses a great game!
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The ND fans are just reaching for something. Now that even Redding has weighed in, they don't have much more to go with
And for some entertainment...if you believe in conspiracies, these folks have it all figured out:
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2014/10/21/7027553/the-conspiracy-against-notre-dame
LOL
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WR is attempting to run a route
Don't know why you are flat out making stuff up.
The play worked exactly as designed, though it should have been a pass completed BEHIND the LOS. I don't know whether the players ran it wrong or the coaches didn't know the rule well enough.
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Don't know why you are flat out making stuff up.
The play worked exactly as designed, though it should have been a pass completed BEHIND the LOS. I don't know whether the players ran it wrong or the coaches didn't know the rule well enough.
Joe,
OPI is coached, unlike DPI. I bet this play worked exactly, and I mean exactly, as it was supposed to. Kelly just didn't think the officials would call it. From what I've heard, OPI is the most missed call there is.
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Joe,
OPI is coached, unlike DPI. I bet this play worked exactly, and I mean exactly, as it was supposed to. Kelly just didn't think the officials would call it. From what I've heard, OPI is the most missed call there is.
If you really believe that then I hope that you're not an official. The simple facts of this play have been discussed by multiple postings here.
1. 1st time this play was run it was run as coached and the catch was made within the rule requirements to be legal.
2. 2nd time this very same play was run the WR strayed too far and the catch was outside the rule requirements and therefore was illegal.
I see no value in discussing a coach's ulterior motives or coaching techniques. In my opinion that's not very constructive in our business. We call what we see according to the rules to the best of our ability and judgment. Our job is simply to call what we see, and as is clear here, no matter how many replays or camera angles we watch multiple times, both calls were 100% correct.
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I think as the game evolves, we as officials need to keep up with how the game is played and how it is coached.
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