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Football Officiating => NCAA Discussion => Topic started by: billk on October 29, 2014, 02:14:28 PM

Title: Removing Helmet Clarification
Post by: billk on October 29, 2014, 02:14:28 PM

Here's a scenario:

Team A has a 4th down play that they fail to convert.  After the play is over & one of the defenders on Team B as he celebrates the 4th down stop removes his helmet while in the field of play.  If the ref throws a flag for that citing unsportsmanlike conduct what happens then?  Does Team A retain possession & get a 1st down?  Or because it was a dead ball, change of possession foul does Team B get the ball after marching off a 15-yard or half the distance to the goal penalty?

Thanks

Title: Re: Removing Helmet Clarification
Post by: Andrew McCarthy on October 29, 2014, 02:31:41 PM

B's ball following enforcement.

Title: Re: Removing Helmet Clarification
Post by: dvasques on October 29, 2014, 02:40:03 PM

any dead ball foul counts as after the down, right? No matter what down was played, the enforcement will always be on the next down, right?

Title: Re: Removing Helmet Clarification
Post by: Diablo on October 30, 2014, 10:31:21 AM

Quote from: dvasques on October 29, 2014, 02:40:03 PM

any dead ball foul counts as after the down, right? No matter what down was played, the enforcement will always be on the next down, right?

What about (1) live-ball fouls treated as dead-ball during a touchdown play and (2) dead-ball fouls occurring after a touchdown and before the ready for play on the try?

Title: Re: Removing Helmet Clarification
Post by: BlindZebra on October 30, 2014, 10:48:29 AM

Quote from: Diablo on October 30, 2014, 10:31:21 AM

What about (1) live-ball fouls treated as dead-ball during a touchdown play and (2) dead-ball fouls occurring after a touchdown and before the ready for play on the try?

If live-ball treated as dead-ball happens on the score then the offended team has the option to enforce on the try or KO.  Prime example is sideline warning/interference.

Same goes for dead-ball fouls occurring before the RFP on the try.  If there is no succeeding KO, then the enforcement can only go on the try.